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respected Dr. J. Rozencwajg,

regards and greetings.

many thanks for your great replies. I will be really grateful if you can find some time to clarify some areas. may be it will help others on the www also.

as I had said earlier, my mother is suffering from cardiac ischemia and is on homeo simillimum. I am trying to balance her diet. she is STRICT lacto-vegetarian. (no eggs, no fish, no meat).

after considering the naturopathic viewpoints I have decided to STOP iodized commercial table salt from her diet and replace it with natural rock salt (and also limit salt intake as much as possible). I have noted your suggestions re: use to sea kelp as iodine source.

1) should I go for KELP or SPIRULINA as iodine source? does commercially grown (NON-oceanic) spirulina have reliable amount of iodine?

2) kindly recommend the BEST all-natural brand of kelp/spirulina for iodine supplement.

3) kindly suggest the MINIMUM DOSE both for kelp/spirulina that should be taken by her per day/per week (ONLY for iodine source) alongwith a balanced diet plan.

4) is there ANY natural iodine added rock salt brand available? [the best rock salt brands are all 'himalayan' and sourced from the pakistan salt range. there is not enough iodine in there - naturally- unless added later on.]

5) this is what troubles me....my mother's TSH level is high and in the past she has shown dangerously VERY HIGH sensitivity of iodine (as ointment or during IV radio imaging contrast). I am clueless what to do with this iodine thing. my mother will not take fish or seaweed (for iodine). the family allopath almost considers naturopaths/homeopaths views as crazy and so he will not have anything to say against iodized commercial table salt. I wish to stop iodized commercial table salt as I feel this chemical iodine may be aggravating her condition (what do YOU think?) + the commercial refined salt is NOT ok. I would like to go for natural unprocessed rock salt (in very limited quantities). but, then will it be safe to go for iodine supplements for her tricky situation (high TSH. very high sensitivity to iodine)? as you know, natural rock salts do not have enough iodine.
please do advise what to do. I will be really thankful.

many thanks for your kind help.

dr manish agarwala
india

PS: other colleagues may also feel free to comment. many thanks!
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Old 23rd March 2009, 02:25 AM
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I have been away for a few days, so see your email only now.



She has a heart condition, why would she still add salt, any type of salt to
her diet.....does not make sense.



Kelp or spirulina or other seaweeds are foods, not drugs or remedies, so you
eat it according to taste, the body will take what it needs, if it is
functioning properly. I cannot recommend brands as I do leave that to the
patient's choice when he/she goes to the health food shop (cost is involved)
with the only proviso that it must be organic and preferably from a local
source; this is valid for any country.



And here comes the million dollars question: why is she sensitive to iodine?
A high TSH sows a malfunction of her thyroid, what happened to it? Those are
the areas you have to investigate in order to fine tune your treatment.



I am sorry I cannot be more precise, but I feel that is the best I can do
from far away.



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Date: 22/03/2009 2:54:48 p.m.

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Respected Dr. J. Rozencwajg,



Regards and greetings.



Many thanks for your great replies. I will be really grateful if you

Can find some time to clarify some areas. May be it will help others on

The www also.



As I had said earlier, my mother is suffering from cardiac ischemia and

Is on homeo simillimum. I am trying to balance her diet. She is STRICT

Lacto-vegetarian. (no eggs, no fish, no meat).



After considering the naturopathic viewpoints I have decided to STOP

Iodized commercial table salt from her diet and replace it with natural

Rock salt (and also limit salt intake as much as possible). I have noted

Your suggestions re: use to sea kelp as iodine source.



1) should I go for KELP or SPIRULINA as iodine source? Does

Commercially grown (NON-oceanic) spirulina have reliable amount of

Iodine?



2) kindly recommend the BEST all-natural brand of kelp/spirulina for

Iodine supplement.



3) kindly suggest the MINIMUM DOSE both for kelp/spirulina that should

Be taken by her per day/per week (ONLY for iodine source) alongwith a

Balanced diet plan.



4) is there ANY natural iodine added rock salt brand available? [the

Best rock salt brands are all 'Himalayan and sourced from the Pakistan

Salt range. There is not enough iodine in there - naturally- unless

Added later on.]



5) this is what troubles me....my mother's TSH level is high and in the

Past she has shown dangerously VERY HIGH sensitivity of iodine (as

Ointment or during IV radio imaging contrast). I am clueless what to do

With this iodine thing. My mother will not take fish or seaweed (for

Iodine). The family allopath almost considers naturopaths/homeopaths

Views as crazy and so he will not have anything to say against iodized

Commercial table salt. I wish to stop iodized commercial table salt as I

Feel this chemical iodine may be aggravating her condition (what do YOU

Think?) + the commercial refined salt is NOT ok. I would like to go for

Natural unprocessed rock salt (in very limited quantities). But, then

Will it be safe to go for iodine supplements for her tricky situation

(high TSH. Very high sensitivity to iodine)? As you know, natural rock

Salts do not have enough iodine.

Please do advise what to do. I will be really thankful.



Many thanks for your kind help.



Dr manish agarwala

India



PS: other colleagues may also feel free to comment. Many thanks!





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Dear Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD,
Regards and many thanks for your wise reply.
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Dear dr manish agarwal,
Your mother has a high level of TSH, what can be a consequence of an initial hypothyroidism. If my suspicion is right, so it is very difficult to improve the heart condition before than you restore the thyroid gland function. Now, it is very important to check T4free, T3free and antibodies to thyroid gland.

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Old 23rd March 2009, 11:55 PM
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On Mar 20, 2009, at 12:56 PM, homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com wrote:

<< I have decided to STOP
> iodized commercial table salt from her diet and replace it with
> natural
> rock salt>>



If I my interject something here:

Why would you add salt to her food at all?
I would see it as toxic to her condition and if so, why add toxins to
food?
[It is many years since I had a salt pot in my house. And nobody for
whom I cooked, ever knew there was no salt in it, till after they
asked for the recipe.]

Salt does NOT help the taste compared with really good flavours -
(IMO salt is for people with no imagination!) and it certainly does
nothing good for a heart condition.
There are dozens of excellent high-antioxidant spices and herbs with
which food can be flavored, all vegetarian, most or all of which
would actually be beneficial instead of detrimental.

You could check Dr Rozencwajg's book (available at lulu.com) on
detoxification and organotherapy, in which among other ideas, there
are lists of what plant foods are good in which way for health. I use
this myself to fine-tune diet to benefit chronic illness.
Many culinary herbs and spices have excellent properties apart from
the benefit from high antioxidant levels in them. People are
individual an d so some experimentation with these to find what
tastes the person likes best, can be fun and helpful.


> 5) this is what troubles me....my mother's TSH level is high and in
> the
> past she has shown dangerously VERY HIGH sensitivity of iodine (as
> ointment or during IV radio imaging contrast).


I also am "sensitive to iodine" - but there is a big difference
between potassium iodide preparations as used by allopaths and as
found in some supplements, and natural iodine from food. Natural
iodine in food is a component essential for life. One can not be
allergic to a basic element needed to sustain life.
My personal iodine supplement favorite is Nori, a seaweed that has 1
mg sodium per sheet of Nori (and DO be sure none was added. Lately
it is being made with salt added, yuk!) . Nori is the seaweed used in
sushi rolls, it consists of several Japanese seaweeds. (Finding an
organic source is not easy however.)

Brands one can not suggest - it is different in different cities/
countries/etc.
Just read the ingredients labels to know what is in it.

> I am clueless what to do
> with this iodine thing. my mother will not take fish or seaweed


Seaweed is 100% plant material. Nori is food made from the tiny
microscopic seaweed, not very different from spirulina except
spirulina is non-sea water-plant and Nori grows in/on the sea - both
are microscopipc water plants.
Not knowing why your mother is anti-seaweed, perhaps she can
reconsider this plant food for health reasons?
Other vegetarian food sources are not reliable supplies of iodine,
either because the food tends to have way too little or because the
soil on which it is grown is depleted - usually both.

Some foods prevent proper use or absorption of iodine so you may want
to avoid those. These include: Cruciferous vegetables (for example,
cabbage and broccoli), soybean products, cassava root, peanuts,
mustard, and millet.

Another item might be relevant: The conversion of inactive thyroid
hormone thyroxine (T4) to active thyroid hormone tri-iodo-thyronine
(T3), requires the removal of an iodine molecule from T4. This
reaction requires the mineral selenium, so it will not occur if
selenium is deficient.

Typical minimum daily requirement of iodine for comparison for some
of the HIGHEST iodine source foods (using 150 micrograms as minimum -
though up to 1100mcg is more usual intake):
2 teaspoons Kelp per day (or other seaweed)
4 eggs per day
11.5 cups of strawberries per day
15 cups of mozarella cheese per day

My point in listing these (and strawberry is the BEST fruit/veg
source outside of seaweed) is to explain that kelp or other seaweed
is really the only safe plant source that comes even close to daily
requirement from a natural source.

Namaste,
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dear irene

namaste and many thanks for being so kind and helpful! thanks for your detailed reply!

could you please suggest a model NO added table salt diet for ANY patient? (vegetarian. no eggs. no fish. but milk/plain unsalted cheese is OK). this diet chart may help many on www. is it possible to get a good sodium-potassium ratio is a strict vegetarian diet without added table salt? if so, should we go for: lots of fruits + lot of vegetables (spinach, cabbage, lettuce, coriander, lots of tomato and cucumber) + dry unsalted cereals + walnuts + almonds + green coconut water + cheese + some sweets? will this do?

I am researching this NO added table salt diet at the moment. please reply. many thanks.

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Irene
this may DEEPLY interest you. this is what I found.
pistachios (yes roasted is OK) 2 table spoon per day, almonds (say 10 a day), green veggies in salad/juice daily - in a STRICT vegetarian diet (no fish. no seaweed. no meat) along with very little NON-iodized natural rock salt (OR NO added salt) should supply enough iodine for daily needs. also recommended is green coconut water. NO supermarket supplements for iodine required!
= google coconut and iodine....
= see iodine content in plants here (see pistachio at 51 ppm)
High-Low Chemical query
= pistachio research. see here:
Pistachio Health - Nutrition and Research on Pistachio Nuts
Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies
take care
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Why wouldn't seaweed be acceptable on a vegetarian diet?


On Mar 24, 2009, at 5:30 PM, homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com wrote:

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> Irene
> this may DEEPLY interest you. this is what I found.
> pistachios (yes roasted is OK) 2 table spoon per day, almonds (say 10 a
> day), green veggies in salad/juice daily - in a STRICT vegetarian diet
> (no fish. no seaweed. no meat) along with very little NON-iodized
> natural rock salt (OR NO added salt) should supply enough iodine for
> daily needs. also recommended is green coconut water. NO supermarket
> supplements for iodine required!
> = google coconut and iodine....
> = see iodine content in plants here (see pistachio at 51 ppm)
> 'High-Low Chemical query' (http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/highchem.html)
> = pistachio research. see here:
> 'Pistachio Health - Nutrition and Research on Pistachio Nuts'
> (http://www.pistachiohealth.com/)
> 'Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies'
> (http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...42654/abstract)
> take care
> manish
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On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:30 PM, homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com wrote:

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> Irene
> this may DEEPLY interest you.


Thank you but not really. Your reference lacks at last two decimal
places to be useful.....

> this is what I found.
> pistachios (yes roasted is OK) 2 table spoon per day, almonds (say
> 10 a
> day), green veggies in salad/juice daily


Your quantities are completely incorrect, see below:

> - in a STRICT vegetarian diet
> (no fish. no seaweed. no meat) along with very little NON-iodized
> natural rock salt (OR NO added salt) should supply enough iodine for
> daily needs.


In other words - How much do you have to eat of each to get the
minimum of 150 micrograms (mcg)?
(mcg not ppm)

> also recommended is green coconut water. NO supermarket
> supplements for iodine required!
> = google coconut and iodine....
> = see iodine content in plants here (see pistachio at 51 ppm)


Pistachio is next on your ref list for iodine, after kelp, BUT:
ppm stands for parts per million (trace amounts) not micrograms as is
the standard unit for measuring iodine in food.
So you would need a hundred times as many shelled crushed pistachio
nut spoonfuls as kelp to get the same iodine.

If you are looking at ppm instead of mcg, then you need food items at
least in t he thousands to be of any help towards meeting daily
minimums of 150 mcg.
Kelp is 5400 ppm for example.
Green veg which you mention is only about 5ppm.

The other way foods are listed for Iodine is in micrograms per 100g
of food.
On that scale we can again use Kelp as the "standard" and it is
1500mcg per 100mg of food.
In comparison (all in mcg per 100g food):
Swiss chard 9, turnip greens 7, spinach 3.6, kale 2.6. None of this
is "worth beans" comared to kelp's 1500.

I again would recommend Nori or Kelp.
And NO added salt (of any kind).

Namaste,
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On Mar 24, 2009, at 12:23 PM, homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com wrote:
> could you please suggest a model NO added table salt diet for ANY
> patient?


ALL fresh food, not pre-prepared when bought. Cook with no more than
a couple teaspoons of water to steam them.
That way they retain all the nice taste and you need no more. Mix
them up well for flavor - such as mushroom, spinach, tomato, black
beans, and spaghetti squash for example.
As for the salt - find the trash can and put it in there.
Then go to the grocery store and get all the herbs and spices you like.
Add several of them (I like to include various flavorful peppers) to
extra virgin olive oil and shake and use as seasoning.
Add more spices/herbs separately as well, for variety.

Same idea with salads. Have lots of variety of leaves and veg, some
fruit, and add lots of nuts.
Just mix up everything you like.

Namaste,
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