At 09:30 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote:

>On Sep 10, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Sheri Nakken wrote:
>
>>[...]
>>>This is an area where I'd much rather err on the side of
>>>caution--rather have someone be "too safe" than have to say Huh,
>>>you've got Kaposi's sarcoma, you're losing weight and you can't eat?
>>>Must be out of sympathy for your boyfriend who had the same thing last year.
>>
>>
>>???????? what on earth does that mean?
>
>:-) Sorry, I just meant, it seems to me that if you remove the
>idea of contagion, then you have a very hard time explaining some
>of the observations. Particularly, that sexual partners of AIDS
>patients (whether gay or straight) are at much higher statistical
>risk of developing it as well.

And where is the proof of that - I posted one study. Otherwise I
don't think there have been any other studies.
Maybe with gay couples they both have the same drug exposures, if
indeed it is higher in partners? But I haven't seen proof that that is true.

>If not contagion, then why? I mean assuming--as is sometimes the
>case--that the partner does *not* share the same lifestyle. So, I
>hypothesized, i must be a sympathy thing.
>Back under my rock...
>
>Oh one more thing, I do think the fact that you've come to believe
>that *nothing* is contagious is relevant to the discussion. I have
>an awfully hard time with that one, too.
>>
>>
>>>I just do not get it...
>>
>>
>>No you don't get it because you haven't educated yourself on the
>>other side...............those that have exposed the false
>>findings, the research that never was, the decision it is caused by
>>HIV based on absolutely nothing. And then the whole issue of what
>>is HIV - is there such a thing? Do they ever find a whole virus? NO!
>
>So you keep saying; various other sources say otherwise.


You have to look at who those sources are and what they have to gain.
Sheri

At 06:29 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote:
>On Sep 10, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:
>
>>>>But how does the "popper connection" explain cases occurring
>>>>after transfusions and in people who have *not* used them?
>>>
>>>
>>>What is the health of these people who got transfusions and became ill?
>>>How many cases like this are there? Who are they?
>>
>>When they talk about cases after blood transfusion - did they just
>>test positive for HIV so they thought they would get AIDS
>
>Nope. Read the article snippets I sent.


Those snippets are part of the novel that has been written that is
supposedly the truth about AIDS and it is not


>>How many truly showed symptoms of Acquired AutoImmune Deficiency
>>Syndrome after a blood transfusion?
>
>Numbers, I have no idea. But the connection was made thru
>observation--initially it was because of a number of infected
>hemophiliacs. It was not arrived at thru theory.


See what I sent about hemophilia and the immune suppression of transfer factor


>The factors mentioned in these next paragraphs--the lurid references
>to homosexuals' sex practices etc.--may indeed be factors in
>further increasing susceptibility to the HIV infection. In the
>early days of the US epidemic these theories were very popular
>because initially all of the cases were in gay men. That has long,
>long, long since stopped being the case, and those factors are not
>relevant in great numbers of cases.


Oh really - tell me about those non-gay, drug using people who have
true AIDS, not just a diagnosis based on T-cell dropping and HIV positive
Tell me about those children and adults in Africa


>But, I'm tired of this, and I'm going to let this argument go--again.
>I have to do other things.


That's what you always end up saying.

Shannon, you have not looked at the detailed exposure of their
'research' and propaganda and many of us have. We know both sides.
You don't.
Sheri

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On Sep 10, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Knapp, Richard wrote:

> The so called at risk populations for AIDS are male homosexuals who
> engage in unprotected anal sex and people who are injecting drugs with
> shared needles - malnourished, toxic lifestyles if ever there were.


You could not be more out of date in your ideas.
What about the baby who died of AIDS, which she got when she was
nursed by her babysitter
(who at the time had yet to be diagnosed with HIV from a blood
transfusion).
The HIV virus is transmitted in all body products - including breast
milk and blood transfusions during surgery.
(Fortunately blood is screened for HIV virus these days - this case
was before that was done.)

So according to you now, the baby has a malnourished, toxic lifestyle?
Get real!

That book Sheri likes so much, is pure science fiction.

Namaste,
Irene
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At 02:46 AM 9/11/2008, you wrote:

>On Sep 10, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Knapp, Richard wrote:
>
>>The so called at risk populations for AIDS are male homosexuals who
>>engage in unprotected anal sex and people who are injecting drugs with
>>shared needles - malnourished, toxic lifestyles if ever there were.
>
>
>You could not be more out of date in your ideas.
>What about the baby who died of AIDS, which she got when she was
>nursed by her babysitter
>(who at the time had yet to be diagnosed with HIV from a blood
>transfusion).
>The HIV virus is transmitted in all body products - including breast
>milk and blood transfusions during surgery.
>(Fortunately blood is screened for HIV virus these days - this case
>was before that was done.)
>
>So according to you now, the baby has a malnourished, toxic lifestyle?
>Get real!
>
>That book Sheri likes so much, is pure science fiction.


so you've read it?
Sheri

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"Comforting"? Is *that* what's relevant in science and medicine?
Yes cells make viruses--when they've been *infected* by viruses.
That's the way viruses work; by hijacking cells to do their reproducing
for them, instead of the cell's normal function. How does she define
"virus", by the way?


On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

> She uses 278 pages to explain this
>
> Excerpt from back cover:
>
> It is very comforting to read in in Fear of the Invisible" "We all
> have been taught to greatly fear viruses- and yet scientists are now
> discovering that they are fundamental parts of life, made by the
> millions by all healthy cells. I hope this book will help by
> combating this fear, this damning of the invisible because we do not
> understand it. Without this fear, hopefully the focus in medical
> research will shift to looking more at the environmental toxins that
> really put us, and our world, gravely at risk." Dr. Roberto Giraldo
>
> Cells MAKE retroviruses
> Sheri
>
>
>> Hi Sheri,
>> I won't re-awaken the whole debate, except I'd like to try one more
>> time to understand this one point:
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:
>>
>> > [...]
>> > Viruses NOT what you have been taught that they are
>> > Produced by our own bodies to do a job!
>> >
>> > And then she goes on into HIV and AIDS and the insanity of this link
>>
>> If AIDS is not contagious (which I *think* is part of what you've
>> asserted), then how is it that it's (almost) always been traceable,
>> back thru a chain of infected contacts?
>>
>> I do realize that very similar syndrome can be caused by agents which
>> are *not* infectious--malnutrition, and certain toxicities, for
>> instance. I don't dispute that; and I don't dispute that some cases
>> which are *called* AIDS may well have toxic origins.
>>
>> But most cases in the US, the only links--and they have generally been
>> very *clear* links--have been to also-infected contacts with whom body
>> fluid was shared.
>>
>> If we for the moment confine consideration to US cases where
>> malnutrition and toxicity are apparently not factors *and* where there
>> has been an undisputed sharing of body fluids with a (so-called)
>> AIDS-infected person, how do these folks explain the patterns?
>>
>> Shannon
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I'm done - read the book, or not
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At 12:58 PM 9/11/2008, you wrote:
>"Comforting"? Is *that* what's relevant in science and medicine?
>Yes cells make viruses--when they've been *infected* by viruses.
>That's the way viruses work; by hijacking cells to do their reproducing
>for them, instead of the cell's normal function. How does she define
>"virus", by the way?
>
>
>On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:
>
>>She uses 278 pages to explain this
>>
>>Excerpt from back cover:
>>
>>It is very comforting to read in in Fear of the Invisible" "We all
>>have been taught to greatly fear viruses- and yet scientists are now
>>discovering that they are fundamental parts of life, made by the
>>millions by all healthy cells. I hope this book will help by
>>combating this fear, this damning of the invisible because we do not
>>understand it. Without this fear, hopefully the focus in medical
>>research will shift to looking more at the environmental toxins that
>>really put us, and our world, gravely at risk." Dr. Roberto Giraldo
>>
>>Cells MAKE retroviruses
>>Sheri
>>
>>
>>>Hi Sheri,
>>>I won't re-awaken the whole debate, except I'd like to try one more
>>>time to understand this one point:
>>>
>>>On Sep 10, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:
>>>
>>> > [...]
>>> > Viruses NOT what you have been taught that they are
>>> > Produced by our own bodies to do a job!
>>> >
>>> > And then she goes on into HIV and AIDS and the insanity of this link
>>>
>>>If AIDS is not contagious (which I *think* is part of what you've
>>>asserted), then how is it that it's (almost) always been traceable,
>>>back thru a chain of infected contacts?
>>>
>>>I do realize that very similar syndrome can be caused by agents which
>>>are *not* infectious--malnutrition, and certain toxicities, for
>>>instance. I don't dispute that; and I don't dispute that some cases
>>>which are *called* AIDS may well have toxic origins.
>>>
>>>But most cases in the US, the only links--and they have generally been
>>>very *clear* links--have been to also-infected contacts with whom body
>>>fluid was shared.
>>>
>>>If we for the moment confine consideration to US cases where
>>>malnutrition and toxicity are apparently not factors *and* where there
>>>has been an undisputed sharing of body fluids with a (so-called)
>>>AIDS-infected person, how do these folks explain the patterns?
>>>
>>>Shannon
>>>
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