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Old 16th March 2000, 09:06 AM
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My pharmacist has just recommended using homoeopathic thuja as a treatment for warts. Does anyone know of any published evidence that it works?
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Old 16th March 2000, 12:28 PM
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You can search the BB for keyword Warts and you will find information on this subject. Thuja is in many cases the right remedy but it might depends on where they are located and how they look like.
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In the Repertory, there are 129 remedies for warts, and 35 rubrics about the same subject, one of them about remedies dealing with suppression of warts...

If I were you, I would be very careful in order not to cause a suppression because they can lead to deeper problems. The skin is the first place were problems tend to show up, if they're suppressed by allopatic or even homeopathic means, these symptoms tend to go deeper, causing more serious problems.

I would recommend you consult a professionnal Homeopath, or at least expose your problem in full on the BB so that some of us can help you.

Marie

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Old 16th March 2000, 09:34 PM
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Adam, don't take it! I have seen a woman who took Thuja 200c daily for months and it's not pretty. Get a remedy specific to you as Marie suggests. It may be Thuja, but more than likely isn't.
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Old 17th March 2000, 07:50 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mose:
You can search the BB for keyword Warts and you will find information on this subject. Thuja is in many cases the right remedy but it might depends on where they are located and how they look like.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for your reply. I tried searching, but saw only a blank page: I wonder if there is some glitch in the search software?

I am interested to know that thuja works only for some kinds of warts. At the risk of repeating my original question, do you know of any published evidence to support that, which might tell me which kinds of warts it works for?

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Old 17th March 2000, 07:51 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Marie J:
To Adam Jacobs,
In the Repertory, there are 129 remedies for warts, and 35 rubrics about the same subject, one of them about remedies dealing with suppression of warts...

If I were you, I would be very careful in order not to cause a suppression because they can lead to deeper problems. The skin is the first place were problems tend to show up, if they're suppressed by allopatic or even homeopathic means, these symptoms tend to go deeper, causing more serious problems.

I would recommend you consult a professionnal Homeopath, or at least expose your problem in full on the BB so that some of us can help you.

Marie

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Marie, thanks very much for your reply. Forgive my ignorance, as I am new to the ways of homoeopathy, but what is the Repertory? Is it some kind of formulary with details of the various homoeopathic remedies that are available? If so, does it give references to the research evidence for their effectiveness (as per my original question)?

Secondly, you need not be concerned about the symptoms going deeper. The human papillomavirus (the causative agent of warts) is actually not very well defended against the human immune system. It survives so well in the skin simply because it 'hides' from the immune system by colonising parts of the skin that do not have a blood supply. If it were to go deeper, it would quickly be destroyed.

Finally, I am happy to tell you more about my problem if you think that helps. I had a large wart (about half an inch diameter) on the ball of my right foot for over five years. It was quite painful to walk on at times, and resisted copious amounts of salicylic acid and several cryotherapy sessions. It finally succumbed earlier this year to a few weeks of treatment with fluorouracil cream. Now that it is gone, I am turning my attention to my left foot, which has several warts. They are not as bad as the one on my right foot, and I shall probably give up trying to treat them if they do not respond to some treatment within a few weeks. I certainly would not want to use anything as painful as cryotherapy or as toxic as fluorouracil on them. There are three small ones on the ball of the foot, one larger one inside the second toe (ie against the big toe) and one fairly large one on the heal. As I said, none of them is causing me any pain.

Thanks once again for taking the trouble to reply to my posting.

Adam
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Old 17th March 2000, 07:52 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anna Bryant:
Adam, don't take it! I have seen a woman who took Thuja 200c daily for months and it's not pretty. Get a remedy specific to you as Marie suggests. It may be Thuja, but more than likely isn't.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anna, thanks for your warning. I am intrigued by your experience: what exactly do you mean by 'it's not pretty'? I am also interested to learn that there are other possible homoeopathic remedies for warts. An extension of my original question could be 'do you know of any published evidence that any homoeopathic wart remedy works?'

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Dear Adam
Looking through your posts I see that what you are actually asking is not for help or advice but for information. Homoeopaths are not so good at this and what you really need is someone who has worked on research in homoeopathy, since you are looking for conventional 'double blind trial' kind of proof if I am not mistaken. Persoanlly, I am not aware of any, but you could try typing GLASGOW HOMOEOPATHIC HOSPITAL (I am not sure whether they still have the O after the M in homoeopathic )into your search engine and seeing if it comes up with a contact. Then try asking someone there the same question, as they do a fair bit of research.
On the whole homoeopaths do not get their information from trials in the same way as conventional medicine. Instead, people called provers take a dose of an substance known only to the proving supervisor and keep a note of all symptoms - mental , emotional and physical - that happen to them, out of their usual line of experience, and this information is brought together by the supervisor. Some remedies were 'proved' well over a hundred years ago and homoeopaths have added to the pictures of those remedies some of the symptoms which they have found to be cured consistently by the remdy in question, but which may not have surfaced in the proving initially.
Marie tells us that there are 129 remedies listed for warts, which means that in the book in which symptoms are listed (repertory) the word warts is associated with 129 remedies that have been found either to cause or to cure warts. Since 'able to cause = able to cure' these are all possibilites.
When you ask about my comment earlier, I mean that taking a remedy repeatedly can set up in the patient a set of symptoms just as though s/he were taking part in a proving. Furthermore, this contrasts with a proving where the remedy is taken only once, so minimasing the risk of setting up long term symptoms. The poor woman I saw had
coarsening of skin and general appearance associated with Thuja.

[This message has been edited by Anna Bryant (edited 17 March 2000).]
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Anna, thanks very much for your reply. You are quite right that I am looking for information, and you have provided a great deal of it, for which I am grateful. I shall certainly investigate what the Glasgow Homoeopathic Hospital has been up to.

Thanks again,

Adam
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Adam, take a look at the thread 'hyperthyroid'dated 19 March for the URL of the Glasgow HH site. They have a vast array of information on trials of hom. remedies.
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