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Old 2nd February 2007, 07:27 PM
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Dear all:
Reading on homeopathy, I found lithotherapy as an alternative medicine. It uses dilutions and dinamizations as homeopathy (8DH usually) but I was able to find therapeutics in lithotherapy but no Materia Medica.
Do you know something about lithotherapy?
Does exist any materia medica on lithotherapy?
Do you use it? how? successfully?
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Hello Andres,

I can tell you a little about it from Yasgur`s book. (I don`t use this therapy myself.)

Lithotherapy is a form of homeopathic therapy in which various semi-precious and precious gemstones or minerals are potentized and used to treat various diseases.

Low potencies of gems and minerals are used (3x-9x) because of their ability to remove or cause the elimination of the associated metal, which -- proponents of this therapy maintain-- is in chelated form in the body.

This therapy attempts to normalize that best results are obtained with the use of the 8x potency, but these remedies (i.e. lithotherapeutic agents) have NOT undergone homeopathic provings (which could be described in a MM), but are prescribed exclusively on their pathological associations, e.g. Rhodonite for insomnia or Versailles chalk for senile osteoporosis and decalcification etc.

The French homeopath Max Tetau was the great popularizer of this therapy.

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Dear Wim: happy to read you again although in another forum.
Thank you for your answer. Well, I've got one Tetau's book about lithotherapy and -as i said- only speaks about therapeutics, but nothing about MM. Your answer clarifies my opinion. Then, I suspect I'll never find information about provings of the lithics remedies.
Is the same with remedies like diamons, or topaz or rubi? Do you have any information more?
Does it work -lithotherapy- like oligotherapy?
Really thank you for your help.
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Hi Andres,

No, litotherapy is not the same as oligotherapy. The latter is a method of therapy using homeopathic potencies of the trace elements (called oligo-elements) found in the body. The approach here is to bring equilibrium back to a deranged metabolism since the trace elements are essential catalysts in enzymatic and metabolic pathways. I don`t use this therapy either.

I sometimes prescribe Gemmo/Gemmae therapy which is a method of drainage in which glycerine macerates are prepared in 1x or 2x potencies from fresh buds of certain trees or vegetable tissues in the process of growing and dividing. This form of therapy stimulates simular processes in the various organs of the body. I think that gemmotherapy is still unknown in most countries.

(Drainage remedies promote the excretory functions of a particular organ or organ system.)

Also see : http://oaks.nvg.org/re6ra8.html (Gems and Gem remedies etc.)

http://oaks.nvg.org/suin.html

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Dear Wim:
Thanks for the link.
Last week I finished a seminar on Homotoxicology and they proposed to inject low homeopathic complex by intramuscular, intradermic or intravenoise via to produce a strong reaction in the body (exactly in mesenquima).
Do you have any experience with homotoxicology?
Have you ever inject any homeopathic remedY?
If you did, what effects does it produced?
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Hi Andres,

Yes...I know the most important priniples of homotoxicology, but I`m not in favour of using/applying it, because mainly combos/complexes are used whereas a properly indicated single remedy could and should be used.

If possible I`d always use a single remedy, because this will provide a lasting cure. And for some other reasons I`d use a single remedy as well, e.g. if you use a complex and there`s an aggravation you can`t possibly tell which remedy causes it !

Perhaps I`d use the combo Traumeel for a seriously wounded animal, e.g one that was hit by a car and is suffering from multiple injuries.

Esp. classical homeopaths don`t like homotoxicology, because it`s not proper homeopathy but a sort of bridge between allopathic and homeopathic medicine and moreover it is not based on Hahnemannian principles !

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Continuation for Andres :

A far better and very sensible methodology is homoeopuncture which has been used with good results in a large variety of disorders at the Colombo South General Hospital in Kalubowila, Sri Lanka.

Homoeopuncture is a methodology by which the specific ( properly indicated !) homeopathic (single !) remedy is placed directly in the tissues by first dipping an acupuncture needle in the liquid remedy and then puncturing at the specific acupuncture points and this method has several advantages such as : remedy (potentized agent) is placed directly in the tissue (the saliva and other oral barriers are avoided , i.e. bypassed), which is the target of the action, action is direct and immediate, aggravation appears to be minimal, if non-existent, complementary action of acupuncture helps to enhance the cure, common antidoting substances like coffee, tobacco, perfumes, menthol, lipstick, etc. are not consequential, the specific potency doesn`t appear to be of importance, useful as a pre-operative medication as well as in post-operative care, pain free child birth may be achieved without any side effects to either mother or child and there doesn`t appear to be any contra-indications to this combined methodology, which is an integration of Occidental medicine with Oriental medicine.

Altogether it`s therefore a more logical and more justified procedure, but injecting complex remedies doesn`t make sense to me at all !

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Dear Wim:
I'm agree at all. I dislike the use of homeopathic complex and I dislike to inject it. I've studied the principles of the homotoxicology and they appear as logic and very coherents, but -as I studied classic homeopathy- i don't agree with their propositions.
The homeoacupunture sound very well: i use acupuncture in my consult, but only to treat problems with tendons, ligaments and muscles. Do you think I can use -for instance- Rhus tox or Arnica or Ruta diluted in water to dip the needle and to grow the effect of the treatment?
Could I do with Bach flowers too?
Very very interesting and very very thanks
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Hi Andres,

You can`t do homoeopuncture with Bach flowers, because they aren`t homeopathic remedies (i.e. they are not potentized in the homeopathic manner !).

If the outcome of your repertorisation is clearly for example Rhus toxicodendron, you could dip your needle in the liquid remedy (in the original remedy bottle !) of Rhus tox. and then puncture the relevant tissue at the specific acupuncture points. I reckon this method is very suitable for the musculoskeletal problems you indicate.

If you intend to do this you should buy liquid remedies for this purpose ! With this new knowledge you may become a very famous therapist in Spain, because only very few people are familiar with homoeopuncture !

So please keep us posted here on the forum !

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The hospital I mentioned earlier can be found here :


http://home.swipnet.se/~w-63932/docs/courses.htm

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