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Hello,

Although homeopathic effects are well observed and experianced by homeopathic community in millions but still mystry surrounds around scientific working of homeopathic "sub-avogadro” dilutions and these are interpreted as ultra-molecular, sub-clinical, placebo, blank, fake etc. These are usually hammered by powerful scientific/conventional/skeptic lobby on these grounds and we don't know its result anytime in future. Probably, homeopathic practices are allowed by regulating authorities due to "no or least adverse or toxic effects" expressed by remedies. But still "time lapse/waste" in getting right treatment can become a ground for discrediting homeopathy which may effects homeopathic practices anytime in future. If so, it can effect substancially to students studying very hard (just equal to regular medical courses), practicing homeopaths and also to patients. Homeopathy has two type of remedies:-

Molecular: lower potencies, where molecular presence of active/raw remedy substance is there in all preparation.

Energetic or Sub-avogadro: higher potencies, where molecular presence of active/raw remedy substance can't be there in all preparations.

Mostly, homeopathic effects are based on stimulation of physiological activities by enhancing molecular motions of bio-chemicals or bio-mechanisms--accumulated or otherwise inactive, with weak stumuli. Such effects are also indicated scientifically, as under:-

Arndt's l. , Arndt-Schulz l. weak stimuli increase physiologic activity, moderate stimuli inhibit activity, and very strong stimuli abolish activity. See also hormesis.

hormesis (hor·me·sis) (hor-me´sis) [Gr. hormēsis rapid motion] the stimulating or beneficial effect of small doses of a toxic substance that at higher doses has an inhibitory or adverse effect.


The above effects can be possible both by low molecular remedies and energetic remedies. But to prove presence of energetic information in higher potencies, may be beyond the understanding with current scientific technologies. Moreover, variations in scientific clinical trials on homeopathic effects also become another issue.

Under above thoughts and prevailing environment, can it be beneficial to divide homeopathic system into two parts based on above mentioned potencies?

To what extent, molecular remedies or lower potencies can still treat/cure the patients?


We can also think it in view of deep and long acting effects indicated for higher potencies which may, if capable scientifically, may probably cause some unreqired effects to survive under current environment where we may need some resistances, tolerances etc..

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<Mostly, homoeopathic effects are based on stimulation of physiological activities by enhancing molecular motions of bio-chemicals or bio-mechanisms--accumulated or otherwise inactive, with weak stimuli
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How? Pls explain otherwise, how remedies effect physiologically?
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A remedy works by way of its being able to produce symptoms in healthy individuals.
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Those symptoms can also be due to stimulation of physiological activities by enhancing molecular motions of bio-chemicals or bio-mechanisms--accumulated or otherwise inactive, with weak stimuli.
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you seem unable to accept the non material - and major -- effects of Homeopathy.

I have often in lectures advised people that THEY are part of the cure.. as much as the remedy selected.

This is based on the Taoist philosophy and Weak Quantum theory , which states that EVERYTHING is CONNECTED.

Scientific proof is the crutch of those who are so insecure in this world that they cannot accept the truly CHAOTIC nature of things.
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...I have often in lectures advised people that THEY are part of the cure.. as much as the remedy selected.

This is based on the Taoist philosophy and Weak Quantum theory , which states that EVERYTHING is CONNECTED...
Any thoughts on whether or not a difference might be made by such things as the thoughts in one's mind when taking a remedy? Whether one knows or does not know what the remedy is? Succussion on palm of hand versus on a dictionary versus on a bible as Hahnemann likely used or other book pertaining to the beliefs of the one taking the remedy? Etc.

I would think that similar issues would exist with anything perhaps (the food we eat, the water we drink), but maybe more so with homeopathy or anything working primarily at a level of energy, quantums and waves, rather than at a level of material chemistry or Newtonian physics.

Homeopathy works beautifully well with animals, who are not concerned about positive thoughts or religion so far as I know... but then I think they are never so cut off from Connection with All that Is, as humans are. They do not theorize or compartmentalize so far as I can tell any more than they read books on positive thinking.
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It is wrong to think that a homoeopathic remedy acts as a stimulation. A homoeopathic remedy cures.
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Dear Passkey,

Ultimate effect is due to energies. But whether such effect is created by molecular substance or by energetic substance is the issue.

Everything may be connected with each other alike wrinkles and knots in a big cloth piece or bubbles in a pool but still energies which can effect us, be secondaries other than primary.
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Teagan,

Most of the patients may not know for what they are cured but they can know that they are just getting treatment. I don't feel, that much knowing can cure a patient.

arun,

Stimulation can also cure.

When we try to understand something scientifically, we may have to keep aside such aspects which as yet, can't be understood in science and should try to understand those aspects which can be within the current stutus of science. However, still many aspects are yet to discover, correct and understood in science as science is not yet "absolute" and final. So any future understanding is possible on observed and experianced system existing in mass people.
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