Dear sufferer,

Usually the people who ask this type of questions enroll in a good homeopathy school and take some 4 years to think it all over for themselves, rather than trying to have others try to put it all into their head, which is, in fact, impossible. You will only ever understand things that you have "discovered" for yourself, no matter what other people say.

Or should we ring a troll alert here? - to Lisa!

THough your questions surely make everybody else, I mean, other real students of homeopathy, think about these things, which is very gratifying, thank for asking them anyway!

Best of luck!

Elena

Are you calling me a troll??! How rude!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was only asking questions and yes, I'm not a student or even sure if I believe in homeopathy since I have not experienced the results but I'm very upset with your accusation. Keep it to yourself!! I don't need to prove anything to you. The fact that I don't go to a school, it doesn't mean I can't have a discussion and anyone who doesn't want to answer is fine but if there was a reply it would be appreciated of course.

Isn't it wierd that we have a place for discussion on homeopathy and there are others who tell you not to ask questions??!!! What does it say as you enter into this forum??! It has a summary there. If there is anything I've brought up in discussion that was too complicated to explain, then I will understand and anyone is free to let me know but the chances are it's possible to have an answer and what you said about others thinking to themselves in their four years of school, no it's good to discuss with others and not only to yourself. I haven't had positive experiences in homeopathy to talk about but don't try to call me a troll for that either.

Sufferer - please don't take offense. I'm sure Elena didn't mean to say you shouldn't ask questions. There does come a point when certain types of questions just can't be answered so easily. And she's right - the types of questions you're asking are usually the deeper things a student of homeopathy ponders while studying. So, it's not surprising she piped in and mentioned this. As regards a troll alert -- we've had many here before asking similar confused questions. If you're not a troll - please don't worry about it.

Jacob, I know Elena - and she's not on a grandiosity kick. If you read through Sufferer's threads - you'll see that once questions are answered -- another comes from a slightly different angle that's really already been answered. Obviously, Sufferer is trying to digest all the answers - but it is difficult when she's got knowledge gaps.

On that note, I would suggest that Sufferer read the Organon. She seems to think deeply about things - and perhaps it would answer her questions better than any of us can. Then come back and ask better formed questions -- and be on a 'more level playing field' to be able to digest the answers a little easier.

Suffered, I'm afraid I don't have time to go into great depth in answering your questions --- except to say that the method used in your case is not homeopathy. It will likely confuse your case (making it more difficult to treat)-- and possibly be suppressive. Sorry I don't have more time.

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Sorry,

I live in Japan and am a bit touchy about some people not being able to realise that other people might not be able to spend too much time doing something that is going to make them unable to do their own things - you see, in Japan you are not supposed to have a private life, or rather people are made to think that they need to always involve everybody else in group activities, so in the end everybody is really exhausted, have no time to think for themselves and are indeed deprived of their own private time. THey are being told that this type of "group" activities are essential for survival, but I only see that it's the way to "paralyse" people's minds and senses, so that they could not stop and think for themselves and see that they are manipulated in the name of some indefinite good, but in reality for somebody's very clear and very greedy materialistic interests. "Separate and rule" was the motto of someone from ancient Rome or Greece, I believe, here it's upt upside down "unite - and engage in some extremely inefficient activity" and people will just get lost and then you can take them with bare hands...

This is not related to homeopathy, of course, but to the power structure of a society, however, this has made me aware of this interesting way of manipulating people and suspicious whenever somebody does actually try to sidetrack other people, even if they might be doing this unconsciously.

My husband had a friend of 38 years of age who died of cancer last autumn. He did not want to get operated at first, he asked us - and other people probably too, if there can be an alternative, we suggested him the Tokyo school of Homeopathy, called Hahnemann Academy, he went there - he was talking to them about anything except what he really felt - maybe he was not able to tell his story well, - as a result he got one remedy that was very good and lasted for a month, he was in great form, and then at the next appointment he got another remedy which was absolutely no good, but he kept talking in the same way - he called the clerk at the school's office everyday and talked to her about everything on earth for almost 2 hours, then he used to call us on the phone, knowing that we have a small baby and I did not feel well myself, but I still tried to answer all his questions and try to reassure him and suggest what he should talk about to the homeopath - which he never did, but continued to (excuse me) babble on for hours, until it was clear to everyone, not only to me, that the remedy is a complete failure. But because of his way of expression the homeopath was sure that there are positive changes on the emotional side, so we should wait - so they waited until his colon was blocked and he could no longer eat because the function of the intestine was impaired, he then went to the first nearby hospital, was operated, was never even able to stand up from the bed again and died after 1.5 months in the hospital.

This is a very sad story, but it has taught me a lot of things. I'm very sorry for him, but this feeling of mine, and of my husband's too, might have actually caused him much more agony - although I'm sure that he would have done semething else to the same outcome even if we were not there with our ideas about homeopathy. He also had a Reiki teacher who was essentially telling him the same things that the homeopath did, but did not ever listen to the "feedback" from the patient - one does not do this in Japan. Patients are not expected to bring any feedback, they are just expected to obey silently what they are told and hold the "healer" in awe. So he continued to go to the Reiki teacher as well, the teacher told him that all his symptoms of bleeding etc. meant "cleansing" of the body and were positive and he accepted that until he collapsed... And has exhausted a lot of other people on the way.

I don't know why I'm writing all this...

I don't doubt that the sufferer really suffers, but what I'm in doubt about is how much this dialogue is going to help to alleviate the suffering and whether it is not going to cause more suffering to everybody participating, including the sufferer, of course.

BY "real students" I mean people who really learn, which is usually obvious from the progress they make when they read something and as the discussion continues, not those, who are acutally enrolled in a school, because there might be some people who are not real students in this sense.

Sorry, I really have no time to write long posts, this is going to be the last one.

Elena

Dear Elena
From reading your previous post i have seen that you are verry patient with your replies (more so than myself) I have little free time and post VERRY short replies as patients do come in and out all day. The patients that post must realize homeopaths come on line here and other forums for free,no fee for consultation,no fee for time. Can you ask a allopath for this........? NO...... there are no such things regards allopathic meds,you ask an MD a question he says MAKE AN APP.
I also have a few patients that 'drain' my energy,constant emails/phone calls some lasting for an hour,if i miss a reply,or the 4th question out of 10 they get upset.I do not charge for these long winded replies.Takes time away from my casetaking.
Lots of information is already on line as i posted many many times,perhaps whats better if these are actually read. many websites on homeop. have listed FAQ.
here are some good ones;
www.homeopathic.org
www.homeopathic.com
www.homeoint.org 10 homeopathic journals on line aprox.500 articles.

Gina Tyler

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Dear Gina,
Thanks for posting those links.

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Dear lisaAnnan,you are welcome. I can post more if such thirst in homeopathic knowledge is requested,happy to do so.
Most homeopaths spend all their free time absorbing more knowledge,Perhaps between us all there can be some contributions of links.
Gina Tyler

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Dear Sufferer,

You may have asked a slightly different question - but I'm afraid the answer was indeed the same.

I think you answered your own question regarding two remedies given in close proximity (for two different problems) -- and that is that the case will become confused (and possible suppression could happen too).

Please don't take Elena's explanation too personally. She was simply explaining why she feels a bit touchy and that perhaps she was a little too sensitive when she first posted about your numerous questions.

I hope you find some resolution with your case. If you have anymore questions - feel free to post them. I'm sure whoever has time to help out will answer as best they can.

Best wishes,
Lisa Annan

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sure, thanks. I'm fine now.