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Old 4th April 2006, 08:14 AM
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Default non- reaction. Hallucinogens in past

Can anyone suggest a way forward for the following case (short version)
Male, 45, Thin, cadavorous, appearance, no body fat. Bright eyed.
Mentally positive. perfectionist,
MAgic mushrooms and hallucinogens in past up to just prior to symptoms starting (4 years ago)
PS - "I can't assimilate enough liquid" Weakness, weight loss.
Any errors/excesses of food, dry food or acidic food creates symptoms of burning in stomach.
Desires sips water - if he gulps too much = nausea
Chilly,

Symptoms of errors of diet are - running nose, buring in stomach, aching limbs Internal heat in stomach (when desires milk)

I have of course got a fuller case, but this is the guist.
I'm getting absolutely NO response
Remedies given
Phos 30
Nat Carb30
Ph Ac 200
Nux vom 30
Sulph 12 (to try and stimulate)
He's given himself Arsenicum Alb 30's

Any suggestions? what can remove the blocks to the hallucinogens do you think?
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Old 10th April 2006, 06:12 PM
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ma57,
I think you are well aware about Hallucinogens.In some cases you have to prepare the remedy which is named as toutopathy.You can go for that.
(The effects of using Hallucinogens:http://www.health.org/govpubs/phd642/)
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ToUTOPATHY something to keep away from.
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Hello,
Your Patient is exhibiting symptoms of mushroom 'poisoning'.
See Agaricus Muscarius in Concordant by Vermeulen.
" Food & Drink- Thirsty all the time.Nausea after a swallow of cold water.
Nausea and gagging even after using light food moderately.
mind- 1. ...shown by increased cheerfulness, courage, exalted fancy."
Chill - great chilliness in open air, strikes through whole body. Chills or sweats easily. Can't get warm in room.
Nose- watery non-inflammatory disharge.
Abdomen- Burning in abdomen.
Limbs, Lower - Aching in legs."

I have worked in a drugs detox cliinic for the last 3.5 years and when we get a client who seems to have had a 'reaction' from a substance,we tend to give a potentised version of the same/similar drug. In this case you need to give a similar substance, to see if it will remove the blockage.
I have used this before at The Travelling Homeopaths Collective at an outdoor function, when a woman presented with symptoms related to the mushrooms she took the year before (at the same function) .
One dose of 30c cured it.
Give it a go, you'll be suprised how treating like this for drug-related problems can be helpful to move your case on a bit. We use nosodes to get things moving, this is the same idea. It's not the similimum, but its a never-been-well-since symptom,
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Dear Mary
Many thanks for your full response. I've not used isopathy ( I believe that's what it is) much. Surely agar musc. isn't magic mushrooms though is it? and if not do you know what is. I'll give it a try. I just read it up in Allen but it doesn't relate to my patien'ts symptoms (ie there's no nausea or perspiration) just non-assimilation of either food or drink.
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Old 19th April 2006, 08:54 AM
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http://www.homeopathyaustralia.com/A...muscarius.html
Agaricus, the Homeopathic remedy with pictures

http://www.mushroomjohn.com/amanita.htm

'Magic Mushrooms' with pictures.

http://www.homeoint.org/hering/a/agar.htm

Hering's Materia Medica

Tautopathy=actual substance.
Here you're giving a similar substance (Isopathy) as I'm not aware of anyone (yet) making a proving of magic mushrooms.
Agricus is a mushroom/poisonous toad-stool. DO NOT EAT THEM!

You have to keep in mind why you would be prescribing this, and the reason is, to remove the layer of 'disease' caused by imbibing the stuff to start with. From what I can make out from your case, the symptoms he has didn't start until he took the drugs, so you therefore have a clear aetiology, and a never-been-well since.
I've used actual Tautopathy a few times. For Prescription drugs, one case was Lithium, had it made into a Homeopathic potency, then prescribed it. What happens (obviously) is the patient doesn't make a miraculous life-changing recovery BUT their case becomes clearer AND IT REMOVES THE PICTURE THAT THE DRUG HAS CAUSED...........which then makes it easier to see the REAL picture and true silimimum underneath.
Imagine it like scraping the snow off your car in the cold weather. It doesn't do much to the car, but you can SEE the car better..........and others can see you better too!!
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Hhi MAry
Thanks for that. He's on Ars Alb LM2 at the moment - as this is his constitutional (he had taken 30C himself earlier with no response). I'll wait 3 weeks more and if no response (which is likely) I'll give Agar Musc 30 and then maybe give the Ars again.
Will let you know what happens.
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Hi Jacob
Well Nux was also given unsuccessfully.
I spoke to my patient last night and he "just remembered" that he took a body building drug prior to all this and prior to the hallucinogens - it was called Dibencozide (available in US I believe but banned in UK). I've emailed our pharmacies to see if they can potentise that for me. It's not on Nelson's or Ainsworths lists. Has anyone heard of that.
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Thanks Jacob - I take your point. Agaricus seems the best next remedy. Will let you know how we get on.
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