Hey all, I am new to this place and have a question or 2 for you.
I went to see a homeopath for my anxiety and depression and she gave me carcinosun, I believe the dose was something like 200 with what letter I don't remember. This was a week ago and I don't feel any different, I'm still depressed, and anxious, I cry all the time etc. I plan on going back to her, or calling her monday to see what is happening but my question for you is, what am I supposed to be noticing here? I was under the impression this was going to give me some relief. Also, in order to determine the dose she did a "muscle test". She had me hold certain bottles close to my heart while she pushed on my arm and it was just silly. She told me how my arm was weaker with certain medicines and that was indicitave of that being the right dose. However, when she would push on my arm sometimes she would push down from up past my wrist (towards my elbow) and others she would push from below my wrist almost on my hand, which causes different leverage pionts which of course will make your arm less or more stable when she is pushing on it...any comments on that??

Back to the carc. I know you are not familiar with the case study, but a general question, would a higher dose help or a diff remedy altogether perhaps?? Thanks for any info..

dear friend
sorry to hear about your state of mind and wish you a fast recovery.
the muscle test does appear silly.
selection of medicine depends mainly on the cause or circumstance of your worry.
potenct is selected mainly on the basis of age, duration of illness, intensity of condition etc

eastc

The muscle testing is not silly,just because you dont know about this process and dont understand it does not classify it as 'silly' and it has nothing to do with the actual'strenth' of your arm muscle. too long to explain.
regards your appt. if it was something chronic you had it will take a while to show improvement,one month for every year aprox.

dont second guess and start taking higher lower potency,ask your homeopath questions on the process,on the healing,what to expect.

perhaps read some articles on 'how homeopathy works' for a better understanding.
now hopefully your case was done constitutionally considering all aspects of you physical,emotional and mental. this is prob. why car. was prescribed for you. we cannot comment we are not your homeopaths.
www.homeopathic.org
for some basic articles on homeopathic principles of healing

Gina Tyler

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Here is a bit of my worry,
When I went to this lady, who is a classical homeopath, I didn't know what it was about. I was under the impression she was going to give me something that would be a "natural" and healthy alternative to paxil or prozac. She spent about 2 hours w/me asking me questions about my life my situation, fears etc...all of which I found strange, but..whatever..ok. I did my best to answer her questions but was rather unprepared. When she gave me the "remedy" I was surprised, I was expecting a suggestion of a bottle of pills, a dosage to take and a place to get them. Once I had time I decided to do some research on homeopathy and discovered how they come about the remedies and what their purpose is. (I understand the low dosing theory) My concern now though is that their was a lot I didn't talk to her about as I didn't think it was important or relevant, not understanding what she was looking for and all. I also avoided the issues because I'm rather emotional about them and I didn't want to cry in front of her. W/out getting into the case study I she has of me, which is all true, the important details I chose to omit are here in an email I tried to send her but got bounced back, I will copy it here...

" Dear Blank,
This is Josh, I had an appointment with you this past week. I had a chance to look up some information on Homeopathy, some of the info I found is from a man named Tinus smits...the website is here
http://www.tinussmits.nl/
It wasn't until reading that page that I understand now a little more about what homeopathy does. I would like to explain to you now the girlfriend issue if you can do anything to help me with it it would mean the world to me. I fit the carcinosun profile very well but there is another side to me that I feel I need to talk about now that I understand your pursuit. Had I understood what you were looking for with your questions I would have volunteered all this. As a side note, do you use the same carcinosun that he does? From the reading I've done, the type he uses is much more successful.
As I explained I have intense jealousy issues. What I didn't explain is that I have attributed it to my self diagnosed "unlovablity issue", which I have had for many years. My parents never spent much time with me, we have yet to ever in my life go on vacation together and their love always seemed conditional...I attribute that to my desire to perform, to be worthy of someone's love. They never call me, I didn't even live with them for a while, I lived with my grandparents. When I was little I was physically abused for some time by my babysitter, she would beat us, force feed us/not feed us at all, lock us outside, drag us by our hair up and down the steps etc. I told my parents but they didn't believe me and continued to take me there for some time, I would imagine that did something to me but I've yet to figure out what it is. Compounding the feelings I've grown up with is that I've had some girlfriends that have cheated on me, which does not help my jealousy and unlovability, it is aweful. But even my first girlfriend, before anyone ever cheated on me, I was jealous any time she would show other people attention, I want it all for myself, all the time, and I'm threatened with it happens otherwise. I constantly wanted to be alone with her, I have a huge desire for love and displays of affection, I literally can never get enough.... and I handle any type of rejection from a mate very badly. Even though I know I can trust my current girlfriend, it doesn't stop me from inventing rejections in my head and feeling the pain of them, or imagining her cheating on me, or wanting her completely for myself. It has been a huge struggle for me, I have read several books about it which have helped somewhat but I dont' want to be jealous anymore...this relationship is the one, she is a keeper, I don't want to screw it up by being jealous or possessive and I'm constantly in fear of doing that. I'm in fear of her leaving me for not just any one, but any-thing else. This is a huge part of my depression and anxiety, in fact its the most significant part. As well, I explained in breif that we just can't see each other right now, and didn't elaborate on the reasons, but it involves our church. I had to leave for a while, and to make things easier on her I left for another church much farther away. None of my friends from my old church call me, or want to hang out, and there just isn't anyone at the new church to be friends with, as well as the fact that it is over an hour away and I go there 3 times per week....this combined with the jealousy/girlfriend issue is what is making me so depressed lately, its unbearable and making my work situation almost intolerable when normally I was fine working by myself. But now, with all this stuff on my mind, I have too much time to think and I'm ruining myself. Now that I've done some reading on what homeopathy is...is there any way you can help me with this?? It stems back to my childhood and has been aggravated ever since and it seems that this saccharum post carcinosun is good for releasing these feelings that I can't be loved by anyone. I just wanted to fill you in and get your thoughts, as I would deal with the depression and anxiety for the rest of my life just to rid myself of the jealousy/unlovablity...its that hurtful to me. I know they are all intertwined, but now understanding what you goal was, I just want to make sure we are treating the right thing...as I was fine (reasonably)until these recent events that I have typed here came up. Thanks for your time.


I should bring all this up with her shouldn't I?? And in your opinion it is possible that my ommision of these details has led me to an incorrect remedy??


this is all new to me, I will try anything once and I don't believe that modern medicine is looking to cure people, but only to make $$ while masking symptoms and keeping people sick. THough I do believe it has its place. I want homeopathy to work, but I need some relief like now : (


Thank you all once again for you input and time.

Just to be clear - muscle testing is not homeopathy. It's nothing to do with homeopathy. It's called kinesiology. Some homeopaths resort to using this 'tool' to select remedies or potencies.

However, I don't know of any 'classical' homeopaths who would use it to select a remedy or determine a potency of a remedy. Classical homeopaths will take the case - analyse it properly and select a remedy -- and determine which potency is needed.

From my personal experience - muscle testing was done on me once and frankly, I thought it was a load of rubbish. Too subjective and too much scope (variables) to influence it one way or another (however unintentional). Bottom line - I just didn't buy that it was accurate enough to place my faith in to select a remedy. Especially when there are other reliable means to achieve this in homeopathy. I'm not saying kinesiology has no merit or use in other ways -- but as a homeopath, I would not use it in my practise for the purpose of selecting a remedy OR potency.

It's difficult to tell if she got what she REALLY needed (of your case), to prescribe accurately for you. That she's using muscle testing, imo, makes me wonder how much effort she made to actually analyse and assess your case....but then I wasn't there.

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Eastc, lisaann

I'm sure the 2hour case taking was according to homeopathic principles it does not take 2hours to do a muscle testing.
Some homeopaths do this AFTER they have rep. the symptoms and have a choice of 2-3 remedies that are CLOSE indicated,never right of the bat

THe letter needs to be sent,try again,yes your homeopath needs this information. You should never hold back information from a casetaking process no matter how painfull it is.

Gina Tyler.

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Yes, she spent the time taking the case and did the muscle test to figure out the dosage, and which of 2 remedies I needed. I probably wouldn't have held back the information had I understood what she was doing...

Gina - I think you misunderstood me. I didn't say it takes two hours to do muscle testing. I was simply saying I didn't think muscle testing was an accurate enough method to select a remedy or a potency (whichever).

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Dear Members

Gina wrote:

>>The muscle testing is not silly,just because you dont know about this process and dont understand it does not classify it as 'silly' and it has nothing to do with the actual'strenth' of your arm muscle. too long to explain.<<

Fully agree, it’s the people who select remedies other than by symptom similarity and call it homeopathy who are: . . . . . . . . .

If the selected remedy did not show positive action within the most of a few days, the following might be the case:
n remedy selection faulty
n remedy gone off
n application in a unsuitable way
n antidoting

The selection of Carcinosum bears great difficulties:
The proving is crossly incomplete
There are 12 different carcinosum remedies on the market
None might be identical with the proving substance.
The remedy sold as carcinosum may differ from one producer to another.

The length of a first consultation is in no way an indication for the quality of a homeopath. A lot of unrelated information can be extracted from each patient, confusing matters more so than getting a clear picture of the current disease.

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Eastcoast, potency selection via muscle strength is just BS. Dump your homeopath, find another one. Period.

If a homeopath is residing to some stupid tricks like these (e.g. using pendulum to decide the potency or remedy) shop elsewhere.

Lisa correctly said, classical homeopaths do case taking, symptom analyses and then give the single remedy that fits the symptoms picture.

A correct or partially correct remedy/potency will produce any type of result in you (aggravation or amelioration) within 7-10 days. I would like to say 2-3 days but some homeopaths won't agree with me on that.

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