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Old 18th May 2005, 11:58 PM
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Dear Hans Egebo

Hans EGEBO has quoted extensively from postings I made on the otherhealth.com discussion board in his article published under his copyright on his site.

He has never approached my for permission to do so.
I never gave permission to use this material in the manner he uses it.

He took these postings out of the context, to suit his own interpretations.

He deleted my surname, but printed my Christian name on occasions, and the source of quotations.

This makes it a personal matter to me.

I herewith state, that these postings were taken out of context and do not represent my views.

Anyone who wishes to find out the true nature of them is welcome to read them up in their original surrounding.

Hans EGEBO was personally invited to visit me in my clinic with full access to files and folders, so that he can see first hand for himself. At the time he backed out, and declined to inspect the evidence himself.

He seems to prefer to call me a lier, than to face the facts.

As far as I am concerned, the patient in question remains in good health.
I herewith withdraw the invitation from Hans EGEBO.

Furthermore, I ask Hans EGEBO herewith to withdraw all material, which is my mental property expressed by my signiture from his site.
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Dear Hans Weitbrecht:

I published this material quite some time ago, and at the time directed your attention to it, asking if you found any factual errors in it (of course I did not expect you to share my opinions). You did not react to this.

I have made these rather extensive citations especially to show the full context of the text.

As for accusing you of lying:

Do you deny first posting: ”Tissue-sample came back positive in meantime.”

And later posting: "A histological status was not provided by the patient / hospital at the time."

If you can explain this as anything but an untruth, I shall consider not viewing it as such.

I do not doubt that the patient is in continued good health. I doubt that the patient had cancer, as claimed by you.

The above also shows one reason why I am not interested in travelling to
Ireland to view your documentation: I see no reason to trust same.

Finally: I am convinced that my use of citation of your already public material is within the limits of the "fair use" rules, but I have no wish to insult or enrage anybody, except to the extent that my opinions might do so, so since you have now explicitly asked me to remove the material from my website, I shall do so. Please allow a couple of days for this.

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Old 19th May 2005, 09:35 AM
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Exclamation Where is your proof ??

I never received any request for permission from you to publish this material. you never contacted me. To assume by not getting a response, that I give permission to do so is a falacity. Where is your evidence of contact?
Therefore you have no permission to do so, and further more I have formed the opinion, that you never tried to contact me in an official manner at the time and now you are making up this story. I will continue to voice this opinion, till you prove yourself.

I never gave you written permission to publish any of my own postings on the otherhealth.com site.

As far as personal comments regard -- they reflect your own views, which you are entitled to. That they are unreasonable makes your claims doubtful, and the refusal to inspect the material when it was available to you makes your endeavour look just what it is -- someone who is out to promote his own opinion, but who does not want to find out the truth first hand (because it would force to change your way of thinking).

My patients don't mind someone like you -- all they are concerned is, is their health and the lasting results they gain. And if you ever (which I don’t wish) suffer terminal disease, you may envy those patients of mine.

I categorically urge you to remove all the content held under my own copyright from your site, in your own interest, as continuing to (ab)-use my property will incur severe penalties.
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I never gave you written permission to publish any of my own postings on the otherhealth.com site.

That is correct. However, the rules of "fair use" allows you to cite reasonable amounts of already published material, unless the copyright owner has explicitly forbidden such citation. You have now done so, and I will of course respect that and remove it. I have no wish to infringe on your copyright.

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Default Copywright violation and libel

Hans Egebo has never, ever approached me to ask for my permission to use any of my words or contributions to this forum out of context, or to further his ends as a Quackbuster--or Randi-ite (or whatever it is you do for these people). And yet, from a very quick reading, I can already see he has tried to misrepresent me with a direct quote from one of my posts here.
I'm sure he hasn't received permission from others he has plagiarized in his article, as well. So I'm letting them all know about the violation.

I suggest that Hans Egebo remove the article(s) from any place where it is published on the internet or in print. This article violates copywright and attempts to misrepresent homeopaths by displaying our property and work out of its context.
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Divina, there is a difference between citing a post in a public forum written under a pen name, and an article or a case account written under the author's actual name. If you think about it, you will realize that if it were not so, the quoting feature present on virtually all forums would be illegal.

However, I will not enter into discussions about this. Since the citations are anonymized, I am not able to identify your posts, more so since you have been using different pen-names, but if you will point out which of the citations you consider your intellectual property, I will remove them from my article. This goes for everybody else too, of course.

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Dear Hans EGEBO
You wrote:

>>>I doubt that the patient had cancer. The above also shows one reason why I am not interested in travelling to Ireland to view your documentation: I see no reason to trust same. <<

There has been a change in Irish law with the introduction of the ‘’freedom of information act’’ in 2004, which allows patients to gain access to their full hospital and doctors records. After initial difficulties, the access is easy now, but restricted to the person in question. There could have been the opportunity for you to inspect the full medical records, and I could have arranged a meeting between the patient and yourself.

The person in question (case), however, has left Ireland earlier this year to return permanently to her home country Canada.

You may have noticed, that I have much more in the background than what I post in public forums, or forward to people personally unknown to me.

But if you deny every evidence as being not trustworthy, before even looking at it yourself, then you are --and remain-- unreasonable in your claims and views.
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Actually, I am merely pointing out a disrepancy in your postings. One that was not cleared up by the post above. You are still both saying that tissue samples came back positive, and that you were not informed about the outcome. Only one of these statements can be true.

Obviously, if you posess data that proves homeopathy works, the proper procedure is not to invite random skeptics you meet on the internet to come to your clinic to review it. Instead, you should be publishing it in the proper peer-reviewed journals.

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if you will point out which of the citations you consider your intellectual property, I will remove them from my article. This goes for everybody else too, of course.
If you have quoted me in any context - please remove it. I do not give you any permission to use anything I've posted/written here or anywhere else - if you have done so.

Thank you.
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Lisa Annan, I am not aware of having quoted you in any context.

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