I have a patient who has 8 Stones in his right Kidney. He was first diagnosed with stones when he had a colic in his Ureter last October and was admitted to hospital where he was scheduled for surgery. However with the medication that he was given his colic eased but the stones are clearly visible in the Xray and they will eventually have to come out.

An attempt was made to blast the stones on a Lithotrypter but this did not succeed. He has appealed to me to help him as he is scared of this major surgery and I would appreciate any advice from members of this Forum who may have treated similar cases.

The size of these stones varies from 6mm to over 12mm. The Xray shows that his right Ureter is enlarged and this should hopefully ease the passage of the stones.

I am aware that Berberis V 6 is the remedy but I would like to know if any remedy can be suggested to dissolve these stones to ease their passage down the Ureter.

Hi Joe,
I think there are a few things you need to double check with this patient.
-his water intake
-diet
-toilet habits; people need to urinate when they FIRST feel the urge. Also, they should not rush when urinating so the bladder can empty completely. Otherwise, stones can form in those who are susceptible.

from http://www.sensiblehealth.com/gallstone.html

There are many links you can find that discuss flushing the kidneys -- if you're considering this as an option. I'm not suggesting herbs as such - but I think you might find some information on how to soften the stones so that they pass without pain --- while you treat homeopathically. Berberis is wonderfully helpful when the symptoms fit. I've needed it with kidney pain (pain that literally brought me to my knees and made me cry like a baby) - and it worked beautifully -- within minutes(!).

I know with gallbladder stones - it's recommended that one drinks FRESH apple juice (while eating only fruit or just fasting with juice/water) for a couple of days before doing the flush helps to soften the stones tremendously. Epsom salt is also used to dilate the bile duct so the stones pass with little to no pain. I'm not sure if the same methods are used for kidney stones, though.

I'd be interested to find out if anyone has successfully helped a patient dissolve OR pass kidney stones with either bearable, little or no pain.

Best wishes,
Lisa

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hello
herbs like hydrangea root and gravel root are famous for their ability to disolve kidneystones.
also a need to make yourself alkaline instead of acid disolves the uric acidcrystals in the kidneys.
apple cider vinegar contains acetic acid that can be used for this
more herbs
uva ursi
juniper berries
horsetail
parsley
In homeopathy i have used canth,berb v,rhus tox,cal carb.........but one needs to take the entire case for a true healing to happen ,throwing out remedy names like this is not going to be a cure only palliation of sorts.
Gina Tyler

with Gina , this is often treated better with herbal remedies [ consult Culpepper] The Doctrine of Signatures also had a lot to say ,Stonebreaker is mentioned by Prof Dunham.

hello,

The kidney stones you explained are very small and can be cured by homoeopathic treatment. When treating stones you have to look the localization of stones to prevent complications. If stone is inside the kidney or bladder it is safe. If it is blocking the renal pelvis or junction of ureter and kidney or that of bladder, we have to take care and need continuos monitoring while treatment as it affect kidney as a whole causing enlargement of kidney or hydro nephrosis.

As in every case you have to depend the symptoms for cure, not berberis.
We will get lot of symptoms towards a remedy if we observe.

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Hi Lisa,

Thank you so much for your reply and the interest that you have taken in this case and the information that you have given me which I shall pass on to my patient. It is good to know that you too have suffered from the same problem and that the Berberis acted so very quickly as you state within minutes.

The problem with my patient is that in his Xray which I have with me there are shadows of at least 8 stones ranging from 6 - 12mm and it is possible that there are double shadows which cannot be identified as to their size and number. The fact is that he has many stones and I am really wondering how I can persuade them all to descend down into the bladder. His Ureter shows signs of enlargement and the renal pelvis is enlarged while the left kidney has increased in size by about 2 mm than the right presumably to better filter the urine which may be restricted. This dialation of the ureter is helpful from the standpoint of expelling the stones which on the Xray should be at least theoretically possible at the top where is it enlarged. However I cannot visualize how these stones can be expelled from the lower ureter which is the usual size and appears to be about 3mm. I do hope that in the event of the stones being persuaded to descend that the ureter will oblige by expanding. My greatest fear is that the stones may block the ureter during descent and this will naturally precipitate surgery on a SOS basis.

As you can see this is indeed a very complicated case and I would opt for the dissolution of the stones with any means possible including the herbal remedies you and others have suggested. If only we can get a chemical analysis of the stones we may be better able to use the correct remedy to dissolve them but this is obviously not possible right now. I have not given the patient Berberis so far till I am confident that this would not precipitate more problems as the patient is quite happy to be in the present state he is now in, without any outward problem or pain.

I have advised the patient to drink copious quantities of water and he is following my instructions to the letter. I have also suggested that he cuts out all animal protein and he has gone on an exclusive vegetarian diet.

I would appreciate any suggestions from anyone who has had the experience in the treatment of this problem.

Thank you and the others who have helped me with this problem.

Joe

Dear Joe,

I was not suggesting Berberis, in particular for this case -- I was merely saying when indicated it worked beautifully and quickly for me. I'm sorry if I gave the impression Berberis worked for kidney stones. It may or may not --- depending on your patient's symptoms.

I had kidney pain--- NOT stones. My homeopath prescribed on the totality of the acute symptoms I was having at the time. And the Berberis worked beautifully.


Have you taken a full case?

Gina suggested Apple Cider Vinegar to help soften the kidney stones. Perhaps you could do a Google search to find out more information on softening kidney stones.

I know that Fresh Apple Juice works very well on gallbladder stones, but I'm not sure if it has the same effect with kidney stones. I do know that when I was researching methods of softening gallbladder stones that Apple Cider Vinegar was also mentioned..

Gina and Passkey know a lot more about this aspect of treatment with something like kidney stones, than me. Gina also mentioned various herbs for dissolving stones and Passkey agreed it's a good way to go. I have no experience with this -- but perhaps Gina or Passkey can tell you more of their experience?

Pannakal gave some very good advice/cautions. Maybe he has treated this before and could say more?

Theoretically speaking, I think it should be possible to soften, or even dissolve the kidney stones without surgerical intervention. How urgent is the case at the moment?

Best wishes,
Lisa

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Hi Lisa,

Thank you for correcting my presumption that the pain you experienced was also due to a stone.

As I stated in my last post, I have not given the patient any remedy as quite frankly I am concerned that any movement of the stones may result in a colic which I feel may cause a blockage in the Ureter and immediate surgery.

I shall start him on Apple Vinegar which hopefully may dissolve the stones over a period of time. The herbs suggested by Gina are not known here in Sri Lanka although Parsley is freely available which he can also eat.

He does not feel any discomfort right now as the stones seem to have embedded themselves in the kidney and may not be blocking the outflow of urine. However the fact that the left kidney has enlarged would indicate that it is taking over from the right and may indicate some internal blockage there.

I hope that other members of this Forum who have treated Kidney Stones will also share their experience in the treatment of this case with me.

Again, thank you for your interest

Joe

Hi Joe, Have you taken his whole case? Maybe you could present it here, if the patient doesn't mind?

Pannakal, have you treated this before?

Best wishes,
Lisa

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It can be interesting to understand kideny stones.

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