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Old 10th May 2005, 04:04 PM
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Hello,

I want to know the role of digestive acid, bile & bicarbonate in diabetes type2? I have following thoughts:-

1.Gastric acid improve digestion. Can excess gastric acid secretion cause more digestion of carbohydrates, fats, protiens resulting into more absorption due to better abailabilty in intestines?

2.Bile digest fats by its detergent type action. Can more bile enables better absorption of fats?

3.Bicarbonate from pancreas or on mucus membrane/mucosa can cause mucus depositions on intestine lininng. It may also be accumulated in pancreas as in CF. Accordingly, can excess/thick/sticky or stringy mucus in intestines effect less absorption of carbs, fats & other nutrients? Can accumulation of mucus in pancreas cause less secretion of insulin resulting into high blood gulucose?

4.Bile & gastric acid may override or thin mucus in intestine resulting in better absorption. Can it raise blood gulucose, lipid etc.levels?

5. Can above be the normal body mechanisms to control secretion of insulin & absorption of carbs etc., if excess in body?

6.Finally, Can diabetic medications work on these considerations by thining/removing mucus in pancreas or restricting intestinal absorptions by mucus depositions/thickening or by effecting bile/HCl to diable thin mucus?

Can you tell homeopathic remedies or thining/thickening mucus & effecting HCl/bile secretions?

It can be just my thoughts but may be an important thought.

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1] NO . there is a median/optimum point for the quantity of gastric acid. more than this causes problems- its out of balance!

2] NO . there is a median/optimum point for the quantity of bile. more than this causes problems- its out of balance!

3] Gluey mucous is a cause of CF , as well as 'glue ear', this is part of the Sycotic miasm and also acts on the pancreas , where the Isles of Langerhan are unable to release insulin.

Antibiotics and the 'so called' cure of gonorrhea are the source of gluey mucous , or catarrh.

I go along with some of your thoughts but consider that the action of the remedies that affect water - uptake and disposal - Nat Sul & Nat mur in very high potencies are the most likely path to follow.
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Thanks.

But when gastric acid, bile or bicarbonate in out of balance (any of them), can this imbalance cause less or more, thin or thick mucus in intestine effecting absorption or not?

Probably we may now be getting somewhat cystic fibrosis type2 as we are getting diabetes2/insulin resistance due to modern lifestyle.

Btw, what are best remedies for more Antibiotics use and the 'so called' cure of gonorrhea?

What about Silicea in low potency in chronic cases? Sil. seems to hold NaCl & so water.

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Within the duodenum (small intestine) the submucosal glands produce copious quantities of mucus. This mucus contains buffers that elevate the pH balance. The more acid forming the food, the greater the amount of mucus secreted.

As the mucus and food particle solution pass through the intestines, moisture is removed. As more moisture is removed, the mucus becomes sticky and gluey. In passing, it leaves a coating on the intestinal wall. Layer after layer of gluey feces build up over the years. It forms into a tough, rubbery, black substance found in lumps in the corners of the intestinal tract. X-ray studies show that the accumulation of hardened feces badly deforms the intestines. Autopsies have shown that an average male has seven to nine pounds of this hardened feces within his intestine. This coating causes constipation, a reduction in the absorption of nutrients through the intestinal wall and is a breeding ground for parasites.
http://www.freedomyou.com/nutrition_book/mucus.htm
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Default As the Duchess said -- "Not bloody likely".

THe dark rubbery lining you refer to impedes peristalsis with the results you describe so well .

BUT this ONLY HAPPENS because the natural happening at birth is clubbed into oblivion by antibiotics!.

When baby is born it presents a nice warm wet virgin environment for an enormous quantity of micro organisms .

These colonise this virgin land and battle for territory . Eventually they settle their differences and harmonise in order to ensure that this territory [the baby] survives and they survive with it .

Thus they act to help the body to digest many substances [ which otherwise it could not absorb] in a symbiotic operation.

When antibiotics are applied [in a totally reckless fashion] to this territory that has taken years to achieve its natural balance . The whole system is shot to hell and you get -- say Candida , normally held in balance by the weaker micro organisms -- and there are many HARMFULL effects such as invasive candidiasis , etc.
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Dear Passkey
Thanks for bring this up the use of antibiotics has destroyed many immune systems. The cause of what we see today are much related to the adverse effects of antibiotic use. And have nothing to do with an illness ,It's onset again and again ANTIBIOTICS.
will type only a small list related to symptoms caused by the use of antibiotics ;
acne,adrenal/thyroid exhaustion,allergies,asthma,bad breath,bladder problems,urinary infections,bone loss,burning eyes,sensitivity to everything,colds/mucous,flue,colitis,constipation,depression,
diarrhea,dizziness,dry eyes,itchy eyes/skin,epstein barr,endometriosis,fatique,fungus,food cravings like carbs,breads,sugars........
infections chronic,gas bloating,hairloss,hayfever,sinus infections,headaces,heartburns,hemorroids,high/low blood sugar,hormone imbal,indigestion,insomnia,ITS,joint pains,low blood sugar,
lupus symptoms,menstrual problems,moodswings,muscle aches,no sex drive,numbness,overweight,pms,respiratory problems,skin rash,hives,ulcers,yeast infections......candida. And this is only a small list.

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In respect of antibiotics & other strong medicines, Sometimes it looks to me that their real/most effecta are just by changing digestive tract's environment, damaging it & resulting damage to inner parts due this environmental effects in GIT. Most of medicines take water/GIT fluid, which may cause thickening of mucus & mucus blocks leading to less absorptions & disturbing the harmonious balance of acid, bile & alkali(bicarbonate). One link tells that our 70-80% problem are digestive system based.

Just look at this:-

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System Components and Performance - GLUCOPHAGE XR comprises a dual hydrophilic polymer matrix system. Metformin hydrochloride is combined with a drug release controlling polymer to form an "inner" phase, which is then incorporated as discrete particles into an "external" phase of a second polymer. After administration, fluid from the gastrointestinal (GI) tract enters the tablet, causing the polymers to hydrate and swell. Drug is released slowly from the dosage form by a process of diffusion through the gel matrix that is essentially independent of pH. The hydrated polymer system is not rigid and is expected to be broken up by normal peristalsis in the GI tract. The biologically inert components of the tablet may occasionally remain intact during GI transit and will be eliminated in the feces as a soft, hydrated mass.
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But we are still trying to treat the body as a mechanism -- in the fashion of allopathy! -- it is a combination of vitality/life force elements that hold together a material structure .
This for a limited period .
On the departure of the vitality/life force [death] the material parts disperse and may become parts of other bodies.
Nature recycles , and nothing is wasted.
If the material components were the most important then we would have a world that you and I would not wish to live in.
Think about it.
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Default Meterial vs. non-material

Look at the evolution & our probable formation:-

Prime Force>>Secondary forces>>Matters>>Sub-atomics>>Atomics>>molecular>>Complex molecular>>cells>>Complex cellulars>>parts & bodies>>Today's existences. AND Reverse.

Prime force is primarily composed/concentrated in its various secondary forms. But it is alike iron & a motor car. You can't repair a car by repairing its iron contents. You may have to see gross part of everything to get it repaired. Although ypu can melt iron & re-form parts or motor car. No doubt, it will be like new car(whereas repairing not) but it will be a tough job.

To get same car repaired & to remain it in same form--we may have to repair it, grossly. To get new car, we may have to melt it & re-form new car.

To the point:-

Intestinal mucus blocks can effect absorption, so our hunger, secretions. Can it be thought that mucus blocks may trigger less secretion of insulin & other digestive enzymes & fluids?
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There is still this outrageously obsolete idea that the body is a mechanism that can be equated to a motor car. Bolt on a new carb , fit a new kidney!.

Interesting that we dont hear a lot about the Heroic Heart transplants of Barnard, theses days . Allopathy has finally realised that is NOT the way to go. Now we are fiddling about with

A]mECHANICAL Hearts

B] Pigs genetically transformed so that the kidney/hrart they donate wont need to put the recipient on immunosuppressants that will result in death anyway , though in a longer period.

But to get a new human we just have to have a baby.

mucous blocks are the RESULT of administering antibiotics , suppressing the Sycotic miasm , and generating catarrh -- thick catarrh.

But we are still looking down a narrow material tube and ignoring the NON material which is the only posssible reasonable way to account for all the phenomena.

THe Iron atom that is in the 'old ford car' was I understand , around shortly after the big Bang. It has passed through many incarnations since then, and today may be part of a F1 car , iron ore strata , or haemeogoblin circulating in your body!.

It is ONLY the non material "glue" that holds anyone's body together. modern medical methods and drugs tend to dissipate and destroy that "glue" .

Finally I feel that as homeopaths we often ignore the ability of low potency remedies such as Calc car , fer met, iod, etc to help the body cope with the abuses of allopathy.
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