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16th February 2005, 08:22 AM
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Crudes + Potencies
This can be bit odd to discuss but can also be equivalently important, in consideration of modern lifestyle & environment of 'more crude usages, so accumulations/excesses & what homeopathy can do for the same. Under above idea, I want to know:- Whether use of potentised crude substances/medicines along with same crude substances/medicines can be somewhat helpful in more effective application & usages of those crude substances/medicines? Can Crudes + Potencies help in better utilization, more effective use, less side/adverse/toxic effects, less requirement of crudes..or otherwise, of same Crude substances? In short, I mean that; can application of both crude modern medicines alongwith their prepared homeopathic potentised remedies be somewhat useful/helpful? Best Wishes.
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16th February 2005, 10:33 AM
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So you are suggesting that the medicine is taken against the disease and the potentized version is taken against the side effects? Well, provided the proving symptoms of the potentized medicine is the same as the side effects of the crude version, I suppose it makes some sense. But where is the individualisation in this?
And how do you know you won't antidote the crude substance (or vice versa)? I think you are throughly mixing paradigms, here  . For this to have merit, you basically have to accept both the conventional and the homeopathic paradigm, and as far as I can see, that is logically impossible.Hans
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16th February 2005, 11:40 AM
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It may be a very important & relevant issue if we think we have to 'look for overall benefit to humanity'. I can't say about all(that what I want to understand) but something alike 'Isopathy' is there. Nat. Mur. may take care excesses of salt related problems.
Mr.Hans, Can ingested crude substances/medicines be accumulated in our body due to their excess intake or due to any wrong prescription or physiological disorder?
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17th February 2005, 12:08 PM
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Something differant to judge?
In some discussions eleswhere, It looks any substance can mostly effect us in three types(can be more also). (a) By its physical/apperant exposures in lighted conditions (by its releflected energies(colours) on exposure to it to light). (b) By its physical exposure in heated conditions(by emitted energies on excitations/vibrations). (c) By chemical reactions, bonding etc.
I feel homeopathic remedies are related to (a) & (b) types as described above. Enhanced effects can be due to spread of molecules & photons/energy effected molecules of carriers & their enhanced & improved exposure to light & heat--so better reflections & emissions. I consider somewhat 'part excitations'(PE) or 'more active' of molecules & atoms on potentization which causes 'store of "potencial energies"(PE) or "persistance of energies"(PE). When we don't expose any crude substance to us under white light or under heat--we may miss & be defficient of some homeopathic type effects or potentization effects. On other side, if we don't take crude substances--we may miss some of its direct physiological effects. For example, in case of direct ingestion without chewing, injections, intravenous applications etc. we can miss something as I indicated above. Tube feeding or Enteral tube feeding (ETF) in hospitals may indicate possibility this type of problem. Can it be ok? Best wishes.
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17th February 2005, 01:28 PM
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18th February 2005, 02:47 AM
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Any substance can effect physically by its released colours/wavelengths, vibrations & heat--in other sense by differant level of energies. Persistance/store of energy as 'potencial energies' can't be possible without 'part excitations or without change in vibrations/movements in molecules & atoms' or colour changes( tell me otherwise if not satisfied). Every substance has its own specific colour & vibration pattern/spectrum & Information of raw remedy substances can be stored in carries molecules by transfer of colour & vibrations which multiply with every potentization. Spreaded molecules of raw remedy substances and/or 'so influenced molecules' of carriers enhance the exposure of light & heat--so energy store, travel & release, on potentisation. Is it ok & clear to you?
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18th February 2005, 08:55 AM
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*sigh* Why am I doing this? OK..
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I'm sorry, Kayveeh, but you asked my opinion. I and several others have invested a lot of time and energy in trying to answer your questions, and to explain to you the things you wanted to know. In vain, it appears. Hans
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18th February 2005, 11:01 AM
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I hereby solemny swear that I have no vested interests and that I am only working for the best of the human race in this respect. ..No, I'm not ironic, this is serious. By contradicting homeopathy? I/others may be thinking alike you in their sense(eg; this topic), but you people always think differantly. Why you always doubt? The effect of hoemopathic treatment cannot be denied. The effect of the remedies, however, is highly debatable. True goal/esseace is in getting treatment not in theories as ' care for mango pulp why to bother about its kernel/seed'. Incorrect. Not "any" substance. In fact, very few substances can do that. Why, whether all substances are not 'seen coloured' by their reflected colours/wavelenghts? Careful, now! I can prove to you that part exitations do not exist (you will probably not understand the proof, but that is another matter). So if you stick to the above statement, you have logically declared potentized remedies null and void. ... And I don't suppose that is what you want? See above. If that is your position, then I can disprove homeopathy. You can show the same/truth by any of your already 'made absolute concept'?  Every substance has its own specific colour & vibration pattern/spectrum & Information of raw remedy substances can be stored in carries molecules by transfer of colour & vibrations which multiply with every potentization. Total nonsense. Pure fantasy. Just nonsense mean nonsense. You could't yet show me how potential energy is stored in atomic/molecular structure as its quantum existance & persistance for long. Spreaded molecules of raw remedy substances and/or 'so influenced molecules' of carriers enhance the exposure of light & heat--so energy store, travel & release, on potentisation. Not at all. It means nothing. It is clear to me that after having asked questions for a year at JREF and having had things carefully explained to you repeatedly, you have understood exactly ZERO. I'm sorry, Kayveeh, but you asked my opinion. I and several others have invested a lot of time and energy in trying to answer your questions, and to explain to you the things you wanted to know. In vain, it appears. If you consider yourself as teacher & if you can't clear/teach my points--it is your miss or weakness. Just try more. Moreover, To whom others at this/hapthy site, you could able to teach, show & satisfy-- homeopathy in science inspite you agree on its treatments. I suggest you cease your attempts to understand physics. You are evidently unable to understand even the simplest concepts. And you are unable to distinguish between your own fantasies and information you gather. I am also thinking on this line as I am getting more & more convinced that it is a issue of weakness not just a miss & still pending for future research--so indicating the logical probabilities.
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18th February 2005, 11:30 AM
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By contradicting homeopathy? I/others may be thinking alike you in their sense(eg; this topic), but you people always think differantly. Why you always doubt?
When evidence is lacking, then I doubt. As for our discussions, you have never provided evidene of anything. True goal/esseace is in getting treatment not in theories as ' care for mango pulp why to bother about its kernel/seed'. The why are you looking so hard for an explanation? Treatment will always be better if we know what we are doing. Why, whether all substances are not 'seen coloured' by their reflected colours/wavelenghts? We perceive them as different colors, but that is not the effect you are looking for. You can show the same/truth by any of your already 'made absolute concept'? Yes. For YOUR definition of "absolute", I can. Just nonsense mean nonsense. You could't yet show me how potential energy is stored in atomic/molecular structure as its quantum existance & persistance for long. It was explained to you. Repeatedly. You either couldn't or wouldn't understand the explanations. If you consider yourself as teacher & if you can't clear/teach my points--it is your miss or weakness. Really? Does the pupil not have any duties? With that attitude I think you are going to find it hard to find teachers. I am also thinking on this line as I am getting more & more convinced that it is a issue of weakness It is a weakness. Of you. Hans
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