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Old 29th January 2005, 04:39 PM
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Default Anaphyllactic Reaction to Aluminium Remedy

My daughter, who is 16 months old, has had severe allergic eczema for over a year.

She is severely allergic to nuts, egg, milk and many grains (on blood tests - no anaphyllactic reactions yet though).

But she has been doing ok on a diet of vegetables, meat etc. and her eczema has been slightly less severe for several weeks, and we have been able to stop steroid creams almost totally.

She has NEVER (until last week) had a severe anaphyllactic reaction - only some minor face swelling around eyes (as well as widespread eczema breakout) when we tried her with milk etc. many months ago. She had never had a reaction severe enough to attend hospital.

Until last week.

I had taken her to see a highly experienced constitutional homeopath, and he prescribed aluminium (not sure what dose) - partly because he decided she was suffering some aluminium toxicity.

He also said it would be good to try to clear up the underlying constitutional causes of the eczema/allergies, even though they were slightly improved, in case it later turned into asthma etc.


About 36 hours after she took the aluminium dose, our baby had a massive and sudden anaphyllactic reaction immediately upon swallowing some lamb and vegetables - 2 of her safest foods.

She started choking and turned red. Then, over the next half hour she started swelling up far worse than ever before, until her face looked mongoloid and you could hardly see her eyes.

Her ENTIRE body went bright red.

We called an ambulance and rang her homeopath who advised apis mel 200. But this didn't seem to help and in the ambulance she was so lifeless that they injected her with adrenaline.

I would have given carbo veg for the collapse but I wasn't in the ambulance - only my wife was.

Our baby recovered in hospital, and was discharged 6 hours later, although her ears and eye area didn't return to normal size for 24 hours or more.


Our homeopath says he has never seen such a reaction, but admits that there seems to be no other explanation other than the aluminium (which he says IS a skin remedy also).


Our baby's airways were NOT affected noticably during the attack - so it could be seen as just a monster attack of eczema/swelling to skin and surface tissues - the kind of exagerration of symptoms one might attribute to a skin remedy.


In the week since her attack our baby has been pretty normal - the same reduced level of eczema as the weeks before the remedy/attack - and certainly no noticeable swellings.


But we did try her with a very tiny piece of the lamb yesterday and her cheeks developed red wet aczema - so it appears that the attack has now sensitised her to one of her favourite and most harmless foods.

We will have to keep her off lamb totally for the forseeable future.

She is still fine with chicken and rabbit.

Incidentally - one homeo book says that aluminium is associated with aversion to meat!!




We will have a rast test done soon to see if she is type 1 allergic to lamb.

In the meantime, I do not know whether she has had some kind of healing reaction (our homeopath has often said that major healings rarely occur without reaction); or whether the whole incident has just been a disaster that has opened up a whole new level of reactivity and stopped her ever again eating lamb.


Is there anyone who has any experience or thoughts?

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Old 29th January 2005, 05:58 PM
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Its highly unusual indeed to have a reaction to lamb
Lamb and pears are the 2 things considered super safe in allergy diets

As for the Homeopath giving Aluminium to counteract Aluminium toxiticity in a baby i would be very very dubious indeed that this Homeopath knows anything about Constitutional prescribing

However if theres Alzheimers cases in your family or others are sensitive to Aluminium then I can well understand your baby also being hypersensitive to Aluminium as I was and still am

Virtually all Food manufacturing plants and that includes those who produce baby foods or formula milk products have Aluminium Vats and Aluminium processing lines and in a sensitive person this alone can cause hell

I suggest you go right back to square one and only give your baby fresh food that you cook youself in glass or high quality stainless steel

On no account use Aluminium or non stick coated or even chipped enamel pans etc
Slow cookers, bread making machines , etc etc all have hidden Aluminium elements in them and the only way i can describe the effect is

Heat Aluminium and its properties transfer to the food via a form of radiation

Far too many elderly folk are crippled up in pain for the simple fact they still insist on using Aluminium cookware and that includes my Mother who claims Aluminium has not hurt her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i would find it highly unlikely that this is a homeoapthic aggravation. We don't know what potency of what producer was used, so we cannot say for definate. Prescribing remedies on assumptions like it seems to have been done in this case is not homeopathy, as homeopaths determine the remedy by the existing disease-symptom picture. I would strongly advice, if returning to homeopathy as a treatment option to seek out a homeopath who uses q-potencies and who is prescribing according homeopathic principles.
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hello
regards the antidote to alumina...it is ipec and cham. not apis.
alumina is a slow acting remedy so perhaps this incident was not caused by it.
i would look into your childs vaccination as a problematic angle(was the child vaccinated?) lots of baby's get eczema,allergies etc from the adverse effects of vaccines.
then to suppress this skin ailment with cortizone can add layers of deeper caos.
Have your homeopath do another detailed case history,taking into consideration this vaccine detox.....if that is the case here.

In children that are suffering from adverse effects i find that the drinking of milk is not tolerated (nor are any other dairy products)
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The baby had severe eczema before she ever had any vaccinations.


I do not see any point in adding the bogeyman of vaccinations to this situation.

She has not had any vaccinations for over 8 months. She had aluminium remedy just 36 hours before the attack.

The homeopath did not give apis mel as an antidote to amuminium. He gave it to treat the swelling.

(It was already far to late to antidote the aluminium?????)


Living in the real world, this is almost certainly a homeopathic aggravation.

I am just wondering whether anyone directly experienced can cast insight into what happened and what may happen in the future.

Head in the sand stuff seeking alternative explanations for the attack is not really helpful. Even the homeopath (decades of professional experience - he has been treating my family for over 10 years) who gave the remedy says that he cannot see any other explanation for the totally out of character attack.

What is a q potency, by the way?

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Decades of experience does not always equate to be a true Constitutional prescriber

Hyper allergic babies are very often triggered by Milk/dairy allergy/soya

My grandson is so hyperallergic to milk/dairy and to Soya that even while breastfeeding my daughter dared not drink or eat same

Grandson started life with pneumonia , was projectile vomiting and had severe exzema along with being very ill from day one ........the minute milk/dairy /soya was removed from his mothers diet he recovered and is now a very strong and fit 1 yr old
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hello
as the previous post i must also agree.When a baby is born it is predisposed with imbalances from father/mother from 'miasms' deep within its genetic makeup. (in the first post it was said the baby is 16months old and for a year has had eczema? when were the vaccines given at 3months old?....you said baby had eczema before vaccines?....hmmm)
If........
Born with eczema is signs of this,thus having vaccinations on top of this predisposed factor will unleash trouble. ......If not born with eczema it is the vaccines.......
Please read more info on the dangers of vaccines www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com
searchbox; vaccines/baby
www.909shot.com
www.thinktwice.com

You mention the baby was last vaccinated 8 months ago,this does not matter,the vaccine is doing it's number now.I have had children come to me for problems related to vaccines (given as 3 month old baby's) suffering ailments at age one,two.three.........11,12.....etc.
The first problem to be addressed is to remove the toxin from the vaccine via homeopathy and the constitutional prescribing must be done.
A miasm can make an imprint in the baby via 7 generations,a good classical trained homeopath will know this and address it by removal of layers.

Many parents do not believe the extreme dangers of vaccines untill something happens to them,but taken to an allopathic MD you will get a response of " oh it's harmless,it will perhaps cause just a slight flue".....
I have had many arguments with Emergency MD personel,allopathic surgeons,
hospital staff.....etc and they will ALL tell you"vaccines are not harmfull,and the problems your baby is having is NOT due to the shots".............
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Jesus Christ - this thread is like a moonies convention.


People will come up with any bizzarre rubbish rather than admit the obvious - that my baby has had a homeopathic aggravation.

I posted my problem on another homeopathic board and got sensible advice from professionals who acknowledged that this was almost certainly a homeopathic reaction.


But I think I am wasting my time here.
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You asked if anyone had any experience or thoughts.

Vaccines are one thing homeopaths have to consider in any case history. If your baby has had vaccines - then that has to be considered, analysed and weighed up along with everything else in your baby's case. Just because a vaccine did not immediately precipitate the attack, does not mean it has nothing to do with it. It doesn't automatically mean it did either. Maybe it did - maybe it didn't. But if you come asking for people to review her case - then allow them to ask questions to try to analyse things in a methodical way.

Also, it was noted that the basis of the prescription sounded a bit dubious. Maybe - maybe not - but no one will know without looking at the full case. In any case, prescriptions should be made on present disease symptoms; symptom similarity. Not for 'some toxicity'. Though perhaps that was just a 'lay' way of explaining the prescription to you, by your homeopath.

I hope your little girl will be okay.
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Unfortunately, evander, it seems as if you have come here looking for answers that suit you rather than being willing to consider other possibilities. Anything other than that and it appears that you start to 'throw your toys'.

Vaccinations do have to be considered in every case and even if your baby had eczema before vaccinations, it could be that any vaccinations have made the situation worse.

Also, a remedy should be prescribed on the totality of the case and on the presenting symptoms at the time the case is taken. Miasms should also be taken into consideration and the current presenting miasms needs to be determined to help in the remedy differentiation.

I would say that prescribing a remedy on the basis on aluminium toxicity is not homeopathy. If the remedy fits the totality of the case at the time, then ok, but not on the basis of anything else such as toxicity. I agree with Lisa here.

It is my feeling that perhaps this case needs to be re-taken and re-analysed to determine a good constitutional/chronic remedy.
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