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Default Medical diagnosis by the medically trained.

FOR AN ACCURATE DIAGNOSIS YOU NEED TO BE MEDICALLY TRAINED ???.



A leading surgeon, Mr. R Winston, head of an infertility clinic carried out a study of 108 patients with tubal damage. 79 had previous pelvic surgery which "in some cases was not necessary". He also stated that "the most intractable problem remains IAGROGENIC (disease caused by doctors). 65% have had previous surgery and this is now a major cause of avoidable damage. Half of these women have such damage that further surgery is pointless". On the 13th July 1995 surgeon Nicholas Siddle, consultant at UCH, was found guilty by the GMC on 7 charges of injuring women patients, 5 by 'keyhole' 2 by normal surgery- "inflicting damage variously to bowels, ureters & bladders." In early July 1995 Surgeon John Studd, Council Member of the Royal College of Obstetricians & Gynaecologists, paid 32,500 pounds to Mrs. J Bartley. He had removed her ovaries without authorisation and increased the likelihood of an early menopause. When questioned Mr. Studd asserted that endometriosis was present. But examination of tissue showed that assertion to be incorrect. In July 1995 it was revealed that "At least 11 deaths have been caused by intravenous syringe pumps which have overdosed patients with the drugs they had been prescribed." Two doctors were convicted of manslaughter when a 16 yr old was given a spinal injection of the wrong drug and died. Drs M. Prentice and B. Sullman were 25 & 27. A motor cycle crash victim was left paraplegic after a misdiagnosed spinal injury was taken as a mild head injury, the doctor tried to "cover up" by altering medical notes. The claimant was awarded 435,000 pounds. In Sept. 1995 a woman sued Salford Hope Hospital when surgeons operated on her mouth when they should have been attending to her knee. In Sept. 1996 a surgeon M. Muldoon, was reported to the GMC following the deaths of 3 patients. One died when her womb was ruptured during an operation - the legal case was settled out of court.
In May 1996 Jaqueline James agreed to an abortion on 'very clear advice ' from doctors at Queen Elizabeth Hospital that her baby would be mentally retarded. A coroners report showed that there had been nothing wrong with her child. In 1997 a fatal accident inquiry heard that Surgeon Gerald Davies was alcoholic and operating while twice over the 'drink/drive limit , caused two deaths in bowel operation at St. John's Livingstone. West Lothian.. A 24 yr old woman got stomach pains and diarrhoea. Her doctor diagnosed irritable bowel syndrome. This was treated for "several years " without much success. As she complained the GP considered that she had a mental problem and referred her to a hospital for psychiatric treatment. She was treated for glandular fever and put on anti depressants for 3 years. After a Gastroenterologist took an x-ray it was shown that she had a large ovarian cyst which was removed and she was correctly diagnosed as suffering from endometriosis years after the trouble first arose.
In June 1993 a young boy was diagnosed as having a bone tumour and given chemotherapy which made him ill and caused his hair to fall out. The diagnosis was incorrect. A pathologist is on sick leave and likely to retire early. In July 1996, at a private hospital, a woman died when she was injected with 10 times the correct amount of pain killer. The doctor injecting misread his colleagues handwriting. The husband, Mr. Burwash is taking legal action against the Princess Grace Hospital, London. In 1996 Joanna Johnson who had a breast removed, was diagnosed as having extensive bone cancer and told she had 5 weeks to live but 5 months later after extensive treatment, she got a second opinion and was told she'd never had bone cancer. She was awarded £20,000. So much for the vaunted expertise of the GP or physician.
A leading surgeon, Mr. R Winston, head of an infertility clinic carried out a study of 108 patients with tubal damage. 79 had previous pelvic surgery which "in some cases was not necessary". He also stated that "the most intractable problem remains IAGROGENIC (disease caused by doctors). 65% have had previous surgery and this is now a major cause of avoidable damage. Half of these women have such damage that further surgery is pointless". On the 13th July 1995 surgeon Nicholas Siddle, consultant at UCH, was found guilty by the GMC on 7 charges of injuring women patients, 5 by 'keyhole' 2 by normal surgery- "inflicting damage variously to bowels, ureters & bladders." In early July 1995 Surgeon John Studd , Council Member of the Royal College of Obstetricians & Gynaecologists, paid 32,500 pounds to Mrs. J Bartley. He had removed her ovaries without authorisation and increased the likelihood of an early menopause. When questioned Mr. Studd asserted that endometriosis was present. But examination of tissue showed that assertion to be incorrect.
In Sept. 1995 a woman sued Salford Hope Hospital when surgeons operated on her mouth when
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they should have been attending to her knee. In Sept. 1996 a surgeon M. Muldoon, was reported to the GMC following the deaths of 3 patients. One died when her womb was ruptured during an operation - the legal case was settled out of court.
So that harm to the patient is not seen to be the prerogative of surgical procedures let us look at diagnosis. Often quoted as the reason that Alternative therapies cannot be trusted to work except under the supervision of a qualified GP What of well publicized items such as journalist S. Arnold having a brain tumour diagnosed as influenza. Or the friend of Kathleen Whitehorn , who died of diabetes untreated for 5 months because a GP thought it was arthritis. He sent the patient to a specialist who treated the. non existent arthritis and failed to diagnose diabetes. What of Mrs. Vaughan who was diagnosed as suffering from cancer and had both breasts removed. She was later awarded 98,361 pounds when it was proved that she did not have cancer. Or consider the case of Mrs. Campbell who was correctly diagnosed as having cervical cancer, but as no one noticed she was pregnant, had to have an abortion at 6 1/2 months due to cancer drug damage to the baby. A 20 year old student queried the prescription of anti-convulsant drugs for the after affects of his brain tumour. He had never had a brain tumour.
In May 1996 Jacqueline James agreed to an abortion on 'very clear advice' from doctors at Queen Elizabeth Hospital that her baby would be mentally retarded. A coroners report showed that there had been nothing wrong with her child. In 1997 a fatal accident inquiry heard that Surgeon Gerald Davies was alcoholic and operating while twice over the 'drink/drive limit, caused two deaths in bowel investigations. at St. John's Livingstone. West Lothian.. A 24 yr old woman got stomach pains and diarrhea. Her doctor diagnosed irritable bowel syndrome. This was treated for "several years " without much success. As she complained the GP considered that she had a mental problem and referred her to a hospital for psychiatric treatment. She was treated for glandular fever and put on anti depressants for 3 years. After a Gastroenterologist took an x-ray it was shown that she had a large ovarian cyst which was removed and she was correctly diagnosed as suffering from endometriosis years after the trouble first arose.
Mar 98 - Consultant J Taylor, suspended for 6 months for serious misconduct in the case of Debbie Jenkins who "subsequently died". Against her parents wishes he carried out a balloon catheterisation of a narrowed artery. Their consent was only for diagnosis...
How much do you rely on expert medical advice ?. The parents of a dead girl, who had been born severely handicapped were told by a doctor that they had to establish a sleeping pattern and leave the 12 yr old epileptic with cerebral palsy to put her to bed and ignore cries, and screams. The first night they followed the advice they found her at 6 am dehydrated and hyperventilating within an hour she stopped breathing and died. It has taken 4 yrs to get the Authority to admit liability and pay £100,000. *
Pregnant Californian Suzy Hagstrom was awarded £400,000 after a 'botched' operation in the Royal Surrey County Hospital. After an ultrascan she was told the baby was dead!. An operation was then done to clear the remains of the "dead" baby. This operation "inadvertently " punctured her uterus and small bowel. This mistake led to a series of operations in which she lost her appendix and eight inches of her small bowel. A new ultrascan showed that the baby was still alive N This tenacious little feller was named Christen.
If you are ill it is reasonable to expect that hospital is a good place to be. But not for 22 yr old Gary Sebborn , of Birmingham . Taken into hospital to be treated , for a chest infection , in an infectious disease ward . he was discharged as cured. One week later he was dead - of Malaria. The ward has been closed and fumigated !!
Late diagnosis and clinical incompetence led to the death of 111 and possibly more ] women from breast cancer. Dr's J . Brennan & G . Urquhart were criticised in a 1997 report by a body headed by Sir K. Calman , as operating " an island within the hospital " . Failure to provide " care reasonably expected of consultants involved in breast imaging " Health Sec'y Frank Dobson spoke of serious faults in the breast cancer screening program " . Dr Brennan , who resigned , issued a statement saying that he rejected the report
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While the misdiagnoses by the medically trained are apauling, I'm certain the medically untrained would do much worse!
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first person: do you know what they call the guy who graduated last in his medical class?

second person: no. what?

first person: 'doctor.'

meanwhile, that's also what they call the guy who graduated first, and i've had a couple of them look at me over the years, too, and they've helped me through some very tough times. many docs are mighty smart, i tell ya: just look at the books by de schepper and dhawale, for examples close to home.

i don't think passkey and me agree about this, but i think a catalog of incompetence doesn't really offer much substantive support to challenging conventional medicine on theoretical or practical grounds. still, once you realize the advantages of homeopathic practice, the pain and suffering caused by incompetent - or even competent - allopathic medicine is all the more heart breaking, because, so often, it is completely unnecessary.
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Hi Bach,

Luc De Schepper is a homeopath of course!! Say no more. There are also the likes of Todd Rowe who used to write articles for the New England Journal of Homeopathy, edited by Paul Herscu and Amy Rothenberg. It was a great journal and it is a real shame that it is not published any longer. This is the only journal in which I have come across articles on the use of homeopathy and cranio-sacral therapy together. Todd Rowe still writes for the American Journal of Homeopathic Medicine and there is an article in the Winter 2004-5, Vol. 97 edition by Luc De Schepper on Homeopathy and Dreams: Functions or Purposes of the Dream.

I know what you mean about doctors though. I was very lucky myself that I managed to find a really good and understanding doctor who would give me time. This was going back a long time ago know and I was quite unwell with stomach problems and other things. He was very nice and understanding, giving me all the time I needed. He did give me conventional medication to help my stomach, but then he did suggest a few herbal alternatives that he said were just as effective and without side effects. This was in the days before I discovered homeopathy though. He is still a great doctor though and I would never hesitate to go and see him again if I ever needed to.

Isn't it funny how contradictory our little friends at Randiland are though? The first thing that the likes of Rolfe and BSM always state when we say something about a remedy is that THE INITIAL DIAGNOSIS WAS WRONG in the first place. Sometimes yes, but not all the time surely?
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hi sarah,

my point was only that both dhawale and de schepper were M.D.'s, and that their homeopathic texts are amongst the most literate and closely reasoned homeopathic essays i've seen so far. all other questions to the side, i think few would argue against the idea that conventional medical training is demanding, and exhaustive, and requires the student possess a number of fairly high quality brain cells, to succeed.


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