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Old 16th September 2004, 04:24 PM
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Hi!

I have a close friend, with the following problem, and not sure in what advice should I give her, it looks too much for my knowledge:

About 6 months ago she started to get serious spinning vertigo with either mental or physical exertion. The ETN specialist told her, it may be Meniere's syndrome, for what there is no treatment.
The spinning vertigo used to start in the morning or even while still in bed, awakening from sleeping, the next day when she overworked.
It was worse lying on side, but not too much better on back either, better sitting, and from pressure on her head (she put a heavy rice-filled bag on it) or keeping her head in a face-to-ground position. In this position she can dose off for short times, when the vertigo lasted through the night- and no other position worked to sleep.
Before the vertigo starts, she told me, that the objects look strange, can not tell exactly why, but feels if the deepness, wideness, etc. would have been changed.
She remembered, that even earlier than she fist had the vertigo, she started to have memory problems. In times of great stress she can not find everyday words, like potato or glass, etc. This got worse, and now she always have words- different ones every time-she just can not remember. She started to feel confused all the time, feeling she forgotted something - and most of the time it is true. But she just can not recall what it may be. She started to have troubles finding the name's of known peoples too.And when the vertigo is there, those memory problems became worse, and she can not even think clearly.
About 3-4 months ago she became very depressed. She felt life isn't worth living it, and told me, she just didn't killed herself because of her 4 children. It went away, and came back in a non-regular 2-6 weeks periods, with no association with her menstrual cicle. She said, now she can tell, when the depression is "before her door", cause she always start with thoughts coming one-after-the-other quickly, as what she could do right now, like "Oh, I should clean the windows, or better go gardening, oh, but I wanted to draw that cute things first, but maybe a salad would be good before...". She just feels overwhelmed with those thoughts and can not decide to do one of them. The next stage is, that she starts to feel weak, with no energy to do any of them, and the next stage is, that she is just indifferent to anything, didn't feel joy, can not enjoy talking with her loved ones,etc., and just sits there thinking "another damn day to live through..." At the times of depression, she have insomnia, awakens to the slightest noise, and have trouble to fall asleep.
Now, when she starts to feel those overwhelming - but first exciting - thoughts coming, she just force herself to do one, and it sometimes help her not to step forward to the next stage. And if she get to the depressed, indifferent stage, she just abandon every task she may have, and spend a day looking comics and laughing - this used to help.
When she was diagnosed with the Meniere's, she tried Conium C30, first 2 times a week, then one, and then only when she feels the vertigo coming. It seems to helped the vertigo, but the memory problem is progressing. She is very anxious now, and started to think she might have Alzheimer.
Oh, and almost forget her skin problem: around the groin and on her inner thigh she has an unbearably itching skin trouble: it is red, dry, and has a sharp border, like it would have been "made" with a ruler (so I think it maybe nerve related). She sometimes can not even sleep from it: awaken to tha scratching she is making.
And one more: she has osteoporosis in he lumbar spine, she is 35 years old, and her dorsal spine is sensitive, and cracks.
She has got Lachesis C200 years ago from a homeopath (mainly for her claustrophobia, what she still have) and Calc.Carb. C200 a year ago a few times. Her personality: she is VERY perfectionist, although trying to fight it at times, and VERY critical. She may not tell those critics, but you could be sure she SEE it - everything what is not the best it could be.Before these problems, she had perfect memory, and she is very clever - right now she is 4th year graduate in a college, at age 35...
Sorry for being so long, and would be thankfull to any advice - my bet would be Agar. Musc.?? but not sure at all...

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Old 16th September 2004, 07:26 PM
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Its my guess that she is cooking in Aluminium cookware /non stick coated Aluminium or foil

Or her water supply is treated with Alum or an Aluminium salt

Dementia and depression etc that uyou describe is common in patients who have spent years cooking food cooked in Aluminium
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Hi!
She herself never used aluminium cookware. When she was a baby, her mother used to warm the formula in an aluminium pot, but could it cause such a serious condition in itself? I asked her about her amalgam filling too, and she has two, although earlier she had a few more, but was changed, when started to ache again.
Any option how to help her?
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Looking at the generalities one is drawn to the "gold headed cane " remedy . Very powerful and I have often used it where a patient is perfectionist. I would be tempted to use Ars Alb 10m or higher as the symptoms are in the higher sphere .
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Hello, i was a little surprised finding this diagnostic in this person. There is surely a kind of depression in the person but i do'nt like this diagnosis because it is not helpfull.

Important is help from a real classic homeopath. The idea about conium is not bad. Also arsenicum comes in mind and also ... aluminium. Do'nt theorise about the aluminium because there is no connection between the use of alluminium materiels in kitchen. In classical (allopathic) thinking the connection is made between alluminium use and dementia or Alzheimer but this is not the only aetiology or origin.

So, we need more information but only a real contact with a classical homeopath can help. It is interesting to follow the case and you can ask more questions but on distance it is difficult to find the real simillium.

So all the remedies mentioned are interesting but not at al determined.
Dementia or Alzheimer can be excluded !! nearly for sure.
Vertigo is important (meniere can be treated depending on finding the real simillium...), fastidiousness and controling are important and this has to be checked...
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I wandered around on the web, finding a few published materials about low Ca ions in people's brain with dementia the Alzheimer type. And asked her and she said, about one year before the first mental problem appeared, she was put on Calcitonin for the osteoporosis. Isn't is possible, that the very low Calcium level what the Calcitonin cause (cc.10 minuter after usage the blood level is drastically lowered, which effect lasts for hours) is affected her adversely?

Do you meant that the word "depression" is inadequate in itself? She said, that at times of feeling depressed, she loose her sense of humor, and very easily hurted with small jokes, and feels very irritated. Crie easily, and much, feeling sorry for herself. Normally she likes jokes, and enjoy them. At those times she longs for company very much. She talks much normally, very much about her feelings, and thoughts, but at the "depressed" times, she just likes her husband to sit with her, and she herself didn't talk much. She said it is hard to gather the energy to start talking - althoug thoughts are running in her mind.

Maybe this would count too: she had many ear infections and sinusitis all in her life, from childhood. Also every few years she has a kidney infection. When she was a little child she had allergic skin problem. And all those infections had been treated with antibiotic, and the allergy with cortisol.

She is small breasted, with wide hip and looks heavier under the waistline. Her skin is oily, with acne, since she entered her teens. Joints and ligaments loose, she can turn around, "forgeting" her one foot in place, and clicking her knee out of place only by this movement.

She starts to sweat easily, from a little exertion, sweating under her breasts, on her back and at the occiput. She dislike hot weather. She always get a headache from sunshine. Despite this, she feels cold in cooler weather, and her hands and feet are ice-cold at those times.

She eat very salty, since her early childhood. She start to feel bad, if she can not eat enough salty food. And sour foods are also her favorites. Didn't like meat too much - she said, it takes a day for her to digest meat, burping it up in the evening, after she took it for breakfast. She likes vegetables best, with dairies.

I agree, that a personal homeopathic visit would be the best, but she said to me, she just can not afford to see a homeopath now, cause a homeopathic visit cost more they can pay while she is attending college, and her 4 children is going to school too, only her husband working. So I'm forwarding her any ideas I'v got from you, and reporting any changes she may have. She just told me, she stopped using Calcitonin, which she hated anyway, cause it always gave her cramps she couldn't sleep from.
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One big element is 'in my perception of the problem' the calcitonine. Looking to the old symptoms i am more tended to think about Calcarea. Problem is which form of calcarea...

First of all you are writing about osteoporosis. What you tell is that there is a hyperlaxicity of the joints. I am afraid that the allopathic diagnosis is not ok.
If there is hypermobility it could be more directing to calcarea fluorica. Also there could be a problem with the ears ???

Depression is for me some misty diagnosis... Everybody can be depressed at a certain moment but do'nt connect it to Alzheimer and Dementia.
Combining the overuse of anti-biotics and sinusitis and overreaction on Calcitonine or other Calcium products and... this feeling of getting insane (= a kind of delusion) and her vertigo i feel more on starting with Calcarea Carbonica in 200 K one time and waiting for reaction (and report please).
I know it is very difficult and expensive to go to homeopath. This is a way that can help you but please follow up and report ...
Also do'nt theorise to much about the calcium-rates because this is not the problem !!! In homeopathy the dis-balance has to be corrected and this with the right remedy. May be calcarea Carbonica is not directly the right but it is a real good beginning (if you have not other opportunities...)
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Just also to say ... stop with calcitonine and other calcium products because homeopathy is working in an total other way. All symptoms can improve when taking this medications !!!
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without getting into it your looking at nat-m case....read up in materia medica(s)...
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John, i think we have also to take Na Mur in strong consideration but we need more elements. Calcium Carbonica will help and may be in this situation give new symptoms to Natrium Muriaticum or ... Natrium Carbonicum ...
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