Hi


I have been suffering depression and insomnia for the last 5 months.
I can't sleep before 4am, no motivation for everything, anxiety, no appetite, ...
I have always believed in homeopathy as it has already helped me several times in the past.
After waiting too long, (thinking everything would back to normal quickly..),
I got in contact with my homeopath in France. He prescribed me Kali carb 30c.
I got improvements on several symtoms (digestion..) but still have insomnia.

I would like to understand the essence, the fears of Kali carb. The reason
for that, is that I think there is an opportunity to learn about myself, and maybe help me understand how did I reach such a state of depression.

I would really appreciate if you could share with me some information on the psycological profile of kali c (maybe link to website, or copy/paste, as I dont want to take too much of your time).
I have had a look at Kent M.M., but was a bit disappointed as it was mainly physical descriptions/symptoms.


Thanks a lot


PS: sorry for my bad english (hope that it make sense), but english is my 3rd language.


ren

This is Sankaran's interpretation:-


<<The main theme of Kali carbonicum is the vital fear and reactivity (Carbo) that is seen when a person lacks the support of a family or group (Kali). The main symptom of Kali carbonicum is the fear of being alone and the desire for company. In the Kali carbonicum woman there is tremendous anxiety and fear when she is alone. She seeks to belong to a group/family so that she is never alone.
This anxiety is seen everywhere. For example:
Frightened at trifles.
Fear of being alone.
Startled easily, from noise, from touch.
Dreams of ghosts, of danger, of robbers, of falling from a height, of
frightful figures.
There is a strong desire for support which is seen in:
Carried, desires to be.
Rocking ameliorates.
Shrieking for aid.
Her dependence on the group or family is so great that her entire life revolves around her family - the health of family members, the integrity of her family, the amount of support she gets from her family, etc. She becomes anxious if her child falls sick or doesn't do well in exams and she can become irritable and impatient with him. Similarly when she feels that her husband is not supporting her enough, she becomes irritable, quarrelsome and nagging which is expressed as "Shrieking at trifles". "Dreams of dead relatives" in Kali carbonicum shows her extreme concern for her family. One of the big aggravating factors for Kali carbonicum would be the sickness of any member of her family, especially the supporting one. She feels forsaken when she doesn't get the support she needs. This can make her very irritable, angry, quarrelsome, shrieking at trifles - "Dream of quarreling with dead relatives, of dead persons, as if they were alive and quarreled with her" (Allen's Encyclopedia).
Company, desires for, yet treats them outrageously.
This symptom combines three main components of Kali carbonicum. The first is the desire for company: she wants company and is dependent on it; she is aggravated when alone, must have support and always likes to be with people who support her. The second component is that she treats them outrageously, which means she always shows dissatisfaction with people on whom she is dependent. The third aspect is quarrelsomeness: when she is discontented she cannot keep quiet, she has to quarrel. In the clinic, the Kali carbonicum person can be a very faithful patient, following up quite regularly and sticking to the same doctor for a long time. But the trouble begins when she starts considering the physician as a family member. Then she will become truly dependent on the physician, she will never leave him; but each time she comes she will quarrel and insist that she is not better.
Kali carbonicum patients speak loudly and are impatient with the progress. They can be quite nagging with the physician as if he is not paying enough attention to them or supporting them. They will tempt the doctor by their general sourness and extreme dependence to shirk responsibility towards them - which is similar to the origin of their state, a neglecting and irresponsible spouse. Often a Kali carbonicum person will bring another member of his family to the clinic for treatment.
Peculiar to Kali carbonicum is quarrelsomeness only with family and husband, and not so much with outsiders (except unfortunately with the physician). After quarrelling, she can get quite tearful: "Weeping, when telling of her sickness", and also can display a more pitiable state of begging, and entreating. When her efforts to get the support she needs fail, she becomes "Indifferent when in society", "Averse to husband, to members of the family", shows "Disgust", "Hatred" and becomes "Sulky", "Repulsive".
The sycotic aspect of Kali carbonicum is seen in the feeling: "I am too weak to support myself and need the company of family." Here it compares with Medorrhinum in sycosis and there are many rubrics where the two are found together.

And here is Scholten's interpretation:-

1.The main theme of Kalium carbonicum is the vital fear and reactivity Carbonicum) that is seen when a person lacks the support of a family or a group (Kalium).
2.I have not seen many Kalium carbonicum patients in the coped up stage. However, I have found that they can be independent, caring, very supportive of their family or group. In fact, they can be the backbone of the whole family. They can be friendly, cheerful and confident.
3.I have seen this stage very often and find it very easy to recognize. The main feeling here is a tremendous need for family, group - for support. There is much anxiety with fear when alone. The anxiety is seen everywhere, for example: "Frightened at trifles", "Fear of being alone", "Startled easily, from noise, from touch". Dreams of ghosts, of danger, of robbers, of falling from a height, of frightful figures. There is a strong desire for support which is represented by the rubrics: "Carried, desires to be", "Rocking ameliorates" and "Shrieking for aid". Dream of dead relatives calling out for help. They feel forsaken when they don't get the support they need. This can make them feel very angry, quarrelsome, irritable, shrieking at trifles. This quarrelsomeness is directed especially at the one whose support they seek, e.g. husband or child. "Dream of quarrelling with dead relatives, of dead persons, as if they were alive and quarrelled with her" (Allen's Encyclopaedia). After the quarrelsomeness, they can get quite tearful: "Weeping when telling of her sickness", and even into a more pitiable state of begging, entreating.
4.When their efforts to get the support they need fail, they become "Indifferent when in society", "Averse to husband, to members of family", "Disgust, hatred, sulky, repulsive".
Many Kalium carbonicum patients are very well organized (a mineral kingdom characteristic). I have found, as I have described in "The Spirit of Homoeopathy", that these patients can get quite quarrelsome with the doctor and often do not admit to any improvement. Their follow-ups often begin quite suddenly with the statement: "I am not better". They speak loudly and are impatient with the progress. Even so, they are quite faithful to the doctor and don't leave very easily. Their anxiety about health is marked. As my colleague Jayesh Shah observed, they often make theories about their disease.

Ricky, i am waiting the new part of your extended reaction. I hope to find other deep searching reactions on the spirit behind the remedy.
Congratulations with using the references of Sankaran and Scholten. Like you know already i try also to integrate the ideas of Grandgeorges because they match already this ideas but from an other point of vue.
Sometimes i had the impression that the forums were too much directed to the basic teachings (very important but...) and not enough dynamic. Thanks for opening the forum to deeper understanding. I did it several times but had not so much reactions (no bad and good... so i was wondering if the ideas were too confronting...).

If you are working with Sankaran, Scholten and deeper insights you schould know the site of Sankaran with insights. This is a really good sight but ask for membership... some articles and cases from insights are free; there is also a forum where i use contact daily.

It is difficult to take a case out of context but certainly Kali-c is a remedy for insomnia (Black type) but are you a Kali-c type? Clear sense of responsibility newer was well since pneumonia? Chilly, back problems, burning pains Etc.

Concerning the great homeopaths today;I live in Germany and my “gurus” are certainly Hahnemann (the master) Sankaran and Grandgeorge. Scholten is not working according the “master” his work is based on grouping of understanding and not provings (he might be right and certainly I respect him a lot). In any case we must move forward and certainly we most develop but not forget the underlying philosophy because there is the key to success.

Hi Ricky

Thanks a lot for the information. That's very interesting; although I don t really feel as a kali carb personn, but I guess my homeopath must I have good reasons. I ll wait and see what happen in the next few days. Hopefully that'll get better.

Thanks again

Ren

what reason(s) you have for inability to sleep before 4a.m.?
how typical is this?every night?
what occur in life prior to this sleeplessness?

what other symptoms accompany sleeplessness?

Mose, i agree with your idea about the way of working of Scholten but he did a great job in the first book of the minerals, and this i believe and could also confirm this ideas. The second book is personally for me too analytical and may be too expanded. I am missing here the ideas about miasms. I know that Sankaran is working on miasmatic determination of the elements.

On the other hand i think that every homeopath can choose his system of working and like i told we need basics .

ren,

all i can say is that a proper case taking is important.

as your case is a chronic case - all your past physical and mental symptoms + the miasmatic background that you have genetically inherited from your parents + diseases / vaccinations / medicines you had since childhood ..........all this + your presnt complaints should be considered for the similimum. a detailed case taking.

again 30C may be too low. however, if the remedy is correct and the patient sensitive, he does report improvement, even if that lasts for a few days, even with a 30C.

you sound independent and bold enough to be sick but venture to read mm and write to this forum. you are intelligent as well. again, you are broken / despair / suffering.
this reminds me of the syphilitic miasm picture and particularly merc group of remedies and also syphilinum. your sleep picture and the rest looks like merc / syph.

take a look at these remedies or will you change the homeopath ?

i don't know. am i reading too much between the lines ? may be.

don't take any remedy yourself. could be risky. consult a good homeopath.

hope that helps.

dr manish agarwala

Hi

Thank you for your replies, I appreciate it.
I didn't intend to take too much of your time, but if you want, here a few symptoms:

CURRENT SYMPTOMS:
- forgetfull ++
- absent mind ++
- restless (can't stay sitting too long at my desk, need to move), legs restless when sitting
- I tend to run rather than walking
- anxious, no confidence
- I can't concentrate -> mental effort impossible to maintain, although I try to force myself to
- Headache in afternoon due to mental work
- tends to sweat when in movement
- weak when hungry in the afternoon
- huge desire for sugar
- but sugar make me worst (anxiety, block digestion, constipation…) and then need to sleep
- I like lemon (acid things)
- constipation
- aerophagy / eructation
- little pain in ears (or right or left)
- sleepless until 3/4 am every night ( but need to sleep from 4/5 pm to 8pm, after eating)
- tends to have big sexual need
- have a wart on my right foot (have always been there, don t change, don t hurt)



MORE GENERAL about me:

- I am now 26
- I m tall (1m85) and thin (68kg)
- don t drink alcool for last 3 years, as it make me worst.
- had lots of throat and ear infection as a kid

- 1st contact with my homeopath:
I was about 20. I found my homeopath an amazing personn, and liked his approach. I got Carcinosinum M (cancer in my familly, I have moles, I had mononucleosis as a child, …). I still remember when I took the dose, I could feel the effect of the dose while I was taking it. I realise that there might be some hope for me, as this stuff seemed powerfull. So I have read a lot about it and found it really interesting, that’s why I know a few things about it.
- 2nd contact:
got carc 10M due to very good effect on 1st time.
- 3d contact:
I got puls 9c: for acute sore throat and nose -> worked very well
- 4: got Lyc for constipation and aerophagy: I don t think it really worked
- 5: got Nat mur for depression -> made me worse
- 6: got Magnesia muriatica (constipation in particular with milk) -> worked great, made feel very good at the time
-… I got a few times arsenicum for some acute diarhea and anxiety -> worked well, got Baryta carb for throat as well -> worked well
- I tend to react well to Ign as well, when something wrong happen.

- My life :
I use to live in France. I left after university, work now in England. I like living abroad and traveling. I am quite open.
I like being with people, but can t always do that, because I feel my energy level is too low and my mind being a bit too absent. Have the feeling of being in a different world sometimes..


I m not sure what miasm it is (thought tuberculism before), but having this might help to find out.