Hi HAns,
Could you explain to me what the allopaths do when a patient suffers from a severe aggravation following excessive antibiotics? I mean in terms of - gastritis, weakness, loose stools, lack of appetite, ulcers in the mouth, tasteless tongue, etc.
OR else abuse of steriods resulting in unnecessary weight gain, osteoporosis, gastritis, etc.
Or otherwise side effects of any drug? What do allopaths do while these patients suffer?

If you have a better answer than mine, I'd be happy to hear it.

I know what they do - They just tell them its is because of side effects of the medicine and they can like it or lump it till they begin to feel better in time. Drink lots of water, take some yeast or non spicy food. Try some vitamins....
I mean - they should be lucky to be alive instead of suffering from their complaint! Shouldn't they?

What a vigilant homeopath does, is prescribe the next remedy based on the symptom picture which will antidote or begin the cure - instantaneously.
Sepia, above, is obviously the wrong remedy.

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MRC Hans,

With respect, I was actually looking for my question to be answered by a practicing homeopath and with reference to homeopathic philosophy.

Hans W,

My second question related to your previous statement below.

"If a remedy was given and you get such a reaction, then according to homeopathic principles it would be termed a WORSENING and not a HOMEOPATHIC AGGRAVATION. This is caused by an inaprpropriate remedy-selection and application".

With regard to this would the administration of the correct remedy in the wrong potency, then be termed a 'homeopathic aggravation'?

I have read Kent, as it is part of required reading along with the Organon and Chronic Diseases. However, Kent does say that true cure can not be achieved without some kind of aggravation along the way.

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Well, can you explain to me what your question has to do with this thread?

Not that I mind answering it: Most allopathic drugs have side-effects, som light some heavy. These side-effects are well-known and well explored. The side-effects are, if the drug is prescribed correctly, evaluated to be considerable less severe than the disease.

So what the allopathic practitioner does while the patient suffers from the side-effects is to cure the patient of the more severe disease. After the disease had been cured, medication is discontinued, and normally side-effects stop.

Hans

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Hans, you made a statement related to "homoepathic aggravation", which you obviously have no understanding about, and quoted KAyveeh out of context saying,
"while the learned discuss this, the patient suffers."


What I said, was in reply to this statement.

So you say that "normally" once (allopathic) medication is stopped side effects disappear? I"m sorry - that's not true at all as far as I have seen. This is probably in a very minority of cases. You dont' hear about it becasuse people just learn to live with it. What about people who cannot stop drugs causing side effects because they have to be taken lifelong?

Secondly - just because side effects are documented, so you must accept them and don't need to talk about them? And the patient can continue to suffer as well because of that? And it is conveniently accepted that the "more severe" disease has been dealt with?!
What would that percentage of people relieved from more severe disease be, to those that are relieved from less severe disease with allopahtic drugs and instead have major side effects?

The effects of our remedies are documented as well (as clear provings and clinical observations in our Materia Medica), and an expereinced (and truthful) homeopath can recognize clearly and tell what is happening, when they follow the principles correctly.

There is an abuse/misuse of (homeopathic) remedies in our system as well, so I'm not confronting you on that.
Please realise that your subtle sarcasm is not lost on us - however 'nice' you may sound! Yes you are one of the few (sceptics) who does manage to sound nice and gentlemanly.

regards,
dr. leela

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MRC Hans,

Dr Leela's question has everything to do with this thread and was probably prompted by your earlier reply to my question, that was actually directed to Hans W, although not specifically stated.

For many people with chronic conditions, allopathy has no other answer than to keep them on daily doses of medication. These people may have to live with the daily side-effects of their medication. Ok, granted, side-effects may perhaps be better than the actual dis-ease for which they are being treated, but side-effects are still side-effects and for some, they may be totally unacceptable. I do not call that cure.

Antibiotics do kill bacteria, but they also kill healthy cells too and they also destroy all the healthy flora in the gut, that needs to be replaced and rebalanced after taking antibiotics. Not to mention possible candida and a weakened immune system too. Prolonged courses of antibiotics can also lead to antibiotic resistance. Also, there are many people who will see their doctor for a problem and will be given antibiotic treatment for it, only to return every few months for a repeat prescription for exactly the same problem. The cause is not properly addressed and so the problem continues on until it becomes chronic. I don't call this cure either.

Long term steroid use causes parchment like skin, with the same kind of thing happening internally. GI bleeding can also occur and I have seen this happen.

I do not call any of this cure.

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HAns,
The facts about allopathy remain. And your misplaced intent is obvious.

I won't get into this arguement furthur as its fruitless. Its a waste of time as it always was!

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Dear Leela, YOU brought allopathy into this, not I, so if anything is misplaced, it is not me.

Hans

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Dear Members
What a debate--- could we have separate corner for arguments please?

Anyway, I think it will help to recall what a homeopathic aggravation is.
Hahnemann defines it in Org.: 156 – 160:

§ 156
There is, however, almost no homoeopathic medicine, be it ever so suitably chosen, that, especially if it should be given in an insufficiently minute dose, will not produce, in very irritable and sensitive patients, at least one trifling, unusual disturbance, some slight new symptom while its action lasts; for it is next to impossible that medicine and disease should cover one another symptomatically as exactly as two triangles with equal sides and equal angles. But this {in ordinary circumstances} unimportant difference will be easily done away with by the potential activity {energy} of the living organism, and is not perceptible by patients not excessively delicate; the restoration goes forward, notwithstanding, to the goal of perfect recovery, if it be not prevented by the action of heterogeneous medicinal influences upon the patient, by errors of regimen or by excitement of the passions.

§ 157
But though it is certain that a homoeopathically selected remedy does, by reason of its appropriateness and the minuteness of the dose, gently remove and annihilate the acute disease analogous to it, without manifesting its other un-homoeopathic symptoms, that is to say, without the production of new, serious disturbances, yet it usually, immediately after ingestion - for the first hour, or for a few hours - causes a kind of slight aggravation when the dose has not been sufficiently small and {where the dose has been somewhat too large, however, for a considerable number of hours}, which has so much resemblance to the original disease that it seems to the patient to be an aggravation of his own disease. But it is, in reality, nothing more than an extremely similar medicinal disease, somewhat exceeding in strength the original affection.

§ 158
This slight homoeopathic aggravation during the first hours - a very good prognostic that the acute disease will most probably yield to the first dose - is quite as it ought to be, as the medicinal disease must naturally be somewhat stronger than the malady to be cured if it is to overpower and extinguish the latter, just as a natural disease can remove and annihilate another one similar to it only when it is stronger than the latter {§§ 43 – 48}.

§ 159
The smaller the dose of the homoeopathic remedy is in the treatment of acute diseases so much the slighter and shorter is the apparent increase of the disease during the first hours.

§ 160
But as the dose of a homoeopathic remedy can scarcely ever be made so small that it shall not be able to relieve, overpower, indeed completely cure and annihilate the uncomplicated natural disease of not long standing that is analogous to it {§ 249, note}, we can understand why a does of an appropriate homoeopathic medicine, not the very smallest possible, does always, during the first hour after its ingestion, produce a perceptible homoeopathic aggravation of this kind.1
1 This exaltation of the medicinal symptoms over those disease symptoms analogous to them, which looks like an aggravation, has been observed by other physicians also, when by accident they employed a homoeopathic remedy. When a patient suffering from itch complains of an increase of the eruption after sulphur, his physician who knows not the cause of this, consoles him with the assurance that the itch must first come out properly before it can be cured; he knows not, however, that this is a sulphur eruption, that assumes the appearance of an increase of the itch.
The facial eruption which the viola tricolor cured was aggravated by it at the commencement of its action, Leroy tells us {Heilk, fur Mutter, p.406), but he knew not that the apparent aggravation was owing to the somewhat too large dose of the remedy, which in this instance was to a certain extent homoeopathic. Lysons says (Med. Transact., vol ii, London, 1772}, The bark of the elm cures most certainly those skin diseases which it increases at the beginning of its action. Had he not given the bark in the monstrous doses usual in the allopathic system, but in the quite small doses requisite when the medicine shows similarity of symptoms, that is to say, when it is used homoeopathically, he would have effected a cure without, or almost without, seeing this apparent increase of the disease {homoeopathic aggravation}.


In respect of the above the earlier question:
>>With regard to this would the administration of the correct remedy in the wrong potency, then be termed a 'homeopathic aggravation'?<<
answers itself.

This little bit of info should also be sufficient for MRC Hans to refine his earlier statement:
>>IMHO, the big problem is that there is no objective way to distinguish between what you call "homeopathic aggravation" and simple deterioration due to lack of effective treatment.<<

He may even come around to saying:
>>Yes, there is definite objective way to distinguish between a ''homeopathic aggravation'' and a simple deterioration, because there is a difference in terms of duration, and in terms of symptomatology.<<

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Dear members
Earlier I wrote:

If a remedy was given and you get such a reaction, then according to homeopathic principles it would be termed a WORSENING and not a HOMEOPATHIC AGGRAVATION. This is caused by an inaprpropriate remedy-selection and application.

it could be missunderstood, so I rephrased this chapter:

If a remedy was given and you get such a reaction ( relating to the first post), then according to homeopathic principles it would be termed a WORSENING and not a HOMEOPATHIC AGGRAVATION. This Worsening is caused by an inaprpropriate remedy-selection and application ( of the selected remedy).

I hope this is clearer.

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