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Old 27th July 2004, 10:14 AM
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(from NaturalHealth) I have never heard of this remedy before, so looked it up. According to Murphy, it comes from The Springs at Wildbad in Wurtemburg. The water contains traces of Carbonic.ac, Nat.m, Nat.sulph, K.sulph, Calc, Silicic acid, Mag.c, Ferr.c, Alumina and traces of Mang. dilutions.

It is chiefly from for disorders of the spinal cord with more than half the patients being paraplegic. Sensation as if the brain were over-filled. Gnawing, sinking, empty sensation. Pain as if sprained. Sensation of looseness in the joints, ankles loose, knees loose, the bones seem as if they did not fit. Teeth seem too long. In one prover the hair, which had been greasy, became dry and the beard became of a darker colour. Desire to stretch.

Clinical uses are for bones, pains, catarrh, gout. Hair disorders, indigestion, knees creaking, nails soft, paralysis, spinal, paraplegia, rheumatism, shoulder rheumatism.

Modalities - worse on waking at night, worse lying down (throbbing and heat in occiput), worse walking (pain in sciatic nerve, looseness of knees).

Compare - Uric acid in urine, pain in right shoulder, Urt-u, Sang.

Sources - Clarke

The remedy is not widely available at all, but you should be able to purchase it by going to www.abchomeopathy.com.
Since all the substances you mention also exist as individual remedies, how does this qualify as a single remedy?

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The remedy contains traces of all these and that it is why it is a single remedy. You will find a lot of remedies like this.

Aqua marina is another example of this. It is a single remedy, but does contain traces of the other sea remedies, such as Nat mur and Calc carb.

They are all still given as a single remedy though.

I have never heard of this remedy until I looked it up in Murphy this morning in between patients.
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As long as the substances are combined before potentizing and are proved as such, it is a single remedy. Combination remedies are remedies which have been potentized and proven individually and then given at the same time.
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So, if I use Nat mur and Calc carb together, it is mixing remedies, but if the mother tincture contains both substances, and a remedy is prepared from that, it is a single remedy? Makes sense since many of the mother tinctures are highly complex. So the point is really whether they have been proved together or not?

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Since all the substances you mention also exist as individual remedies, how does this qualify as a single remedy?

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Hello Mr. Hans,

Due to same, I previously insisted for ash/direct analysis of various organic based remedies. But the effect of a combination remedy can be differant than all effects mixed of all individual remedies in any combination organic based remedy. We have bio-combinations, which differ from the all effects of all individual remedies mixed in them.
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Yes, naturally, the effect of a compound can be very different that the effects of the indicidual substances. Just think of sodium chloride. What I was interested in was whether The problem was considered lack of proving of a combination of remedies, or whether there was also thought to be some interaction by the basic substances being diluted/succussed together. The way I understood the answers, especially that of Shirley, it is both.

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From my understanding, if the substances are combined prior to potentizing and then proven as a single potentized remedy, it can then be prescribed based on the symptoms developed during the proving, which fits the homeopathic philosophy.

Theoretically, I don't see why a combination of single remedies could not be proven as a combination and then prescribed on the symptoms that occurred during the proving.

The point is that whatever we give, we need to know what symptoms it can be prescribed for, which are developed during the provings. The reason we can't prescribe a combination of remedies is that we don't know the effect of them together. From clinical experience we do know that some remedies enhance the action of others, some antidote the action, and others cause inimical reactions. One of the problems with allopathic drugs which we want to avoid, is that often people are taking multiple drugs and on one knows how they interact together.

Additionally, from a philosophical viewpoint, we are not treating individual diseases as defined allopathically. We are treating the vital force, strengthening the body's ability to heal itself. All of the various symptoms, regardless of how many different allopathic disease names are given to them, arise from a single source. Our goal, then is to treat that single source with a single remedy that helps the vital force accomplish what is it trying to do, which is to heal the person.
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Shirley: Thank you. Yes, I understand. That makes perfect sense from a logical POV.

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From my understanding, if the substances are combined prior to potentizing and then proven as a single potentized remedy, it can then be prescribed based on the symptoms developed during the proving, which fits the homeopathic philosophy.
SR, very well explained. In nutshell, it means, that any type of substance individual or in combination is to be proved accordingly. But, I think some trituration or potentization can be necessary of any combination for proving it, for homeopathic purposes, otherwise the effects which are already noted of all substances combined together, could had been sufficient.
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