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I recall that we once discussed about Diabetes.

What was the conclusion then, can insulin dependent diabetes be cured with homeopathy.
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I think the answer was no becasue the islet cells have been irreperably damaged. However, homeopathy could improve quality of life and prevent complications. I.e., the blood sugars would still be high, but the tissues and organs of the body would stay healthy enough that they would not be damaged by the elevated blood sugars. And the correct remedy could stop further damage to the islet cells.
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I think 'diabetes with weight loss' & 'diabetes with no weight loss' conditions should be understood properly to know the possibility of treatment by homeopathy. I don't understand that a patient who do not loose the weight, how can be treated as defficient in insulin?
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For what its worth, all of our cat cases were with insulin dependent cats. We have been able to get them off the insulin or cure them before things got to this point. However I don't think you can really relate this to humans because the body and mechanisms are quite different.
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IMO - no . What we can do is to prevent side affects like neuropathy, eye problems etc.
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Weight loss in diabetes is truely due to ' either no insulin or it does not work'. If no weight loss is there-- how can we say that 'no insulin or it does not work'?
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Basically, this is the difference between Type 1 and Type II diabetes.

Type I diabetes is where no insulin is being produced by the Islet cells in the pancreas at all and Type I diabetics will be insulin dependant. When first diagnosed, these people will have excess thirst and will be drinking vast quantities, but their thirst is never quenched. They will also pass large quantities of urine, normally at night. They will also lose weight. They lose weight because as there is no insulin to enter the cells of the body to allow the body to burn glucose, they have to resort to breaking down fat stores for energy. They will burn fat and so will lose weight, as this is the only fuel source available to them. If it still goes undiagnosed, then they will start to burn the fat from around the organs of the body and this then becomes dangerous. Basically, they are always hungry and will east vast quantities of food and will still lose weight. Insulin is the key for allowing cells to use glucose and it enters the cells via carrier protein molecules and once in the cellls allows them to use glucose as a source of energy. If no insulin is produced, then the body cannot use glucose and has to resort to fat stores, so weight loss will occur.

Type I diabetics will always require insulin to be able to live. However, medicine is moving forward all the time and the possibility of tranplanting islet cells is being looked into. Also, renal/pancreatic transplants are available for renal patients with diabetes too and a lot of these seem to be quite successful.

Type II diabetes is different and people with this can have insulin production from the islet cells, however, its action is not as effective on the cells and these people can have what is known as insulin resistance. This has been found to be a factor in some women with Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome and these women have been treated with the diabetic drug Metformin.

Type II diabetes can be related to lifestyle factors, such as obesity, poor diet and lack of exercise and some Type II diabetics can be overweight. Sometimes weight reduction, a sensible eating plan and more exercise can help this a lot.

They can sometimes be controlled with diet or at other times, they need to be given drugs to help the body utilise the insulin that it is producing.

Drugs are drugs such as Metformin, Gliclazide and some others. These drugs will either stimulate the islet cells to produce more insulin or in the case of Metformin, will help the cells utilise the insulin that is there more effectively.

I hope this answers your question? Diabetics can be underweight or overweight, but it just depends on the circumstances and which type of diabetes they have been diagnosed with.

Nothing is that clear cut I am afraid. It depends on the circumstances and the individual. Everyone is different in that respect.
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Type II diabetes is different and people with this can have insulin production from the islet cells, however, its action is not as effective on the cells and these people can have what is known as insulin resistance. This has been found to be a factor in some women with Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome and these women have been treated with the diabetic drug Metformin.

Type II diabetes can be related to lifestyle factors, such as obesity, poor diet and lack of exercise and some Type II diabetics can be overweight. Sometimes weight reduction, a sensible eating plan and more exercise can help this a lot.

They can sometimes be controlled with diet or at other times, they need to be given drugs to help the body utilise the insulin that it is producing.

Drugs are drugs such as Metformin, Gliclazide and some others. These drugs will either stimulate the islet cells to produce more insulin or in the case of Metformin, will help the cells utilise the insulin that is there more effectively.
NH, thanks for good explaination. Don't you feel that something is lacking/unclear in above quote.' No weight loss' should be directly linked to 'that sufficient insulin is there'. However, if it is not working due to insulin resistance then it should only be treated with insulin senstizers like Metformin, Pioglitazone, Rosiglitazone etc. or just by diet & exercise. Gliclazide and some others which stimulate the islet cells to produce more insulin should not be needed in case of 'no weight loss'. I think homeopathic limits in diabetes can be just insulin senstization for IR & stimulate the islet cells to produce more insulin but not the replacement of insulin. Weght loss or no weght loss can be the good indicater to assess the limits of homeopathy in diabetic patients.
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Natural Health has given an excellent and very comprehensive description of the two major classifications of diabetes. There are actually over 23 different types of diabetes. The word diabetes merely means sugar in the blood. For convenience, we have divided them between insulin dependant and non-insulin dependent (NID) diabetes, but there are also types that are combinations of problems and other types that have neither problems, although the huge majority can neatly fit into one category or the other. Sometimes NID diabetes also developes problems with and/or destruction of islet cells later in the process. I have also seen at our clinic cases of thin NID and non-thin (although never obese) ID diabetics. All we can say regarding the cure of diabetes by homeopathy is that: 1) there is a possibility of cure when there is no islet cell destruction if the genetic propensity is not overwhelming; 2) regardless of the type of diabetes, we can mitigate any complications; and 3) we can possibly slow or even halt the progress of the disease without curing it in islet cell destruction.

Krista, it is my understanding that cats and dogs are almost universally given insulin injections for diabetes, but that doesn't mean the islet cells are destroyed. So in fact, it would be possible to cure insulin dependent diabetes in cats and dogs.
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Exactly my point Shirley, thanks for the clearification!
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