I'll just let the irony ooze out of these quotes. Enough said.

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Originally I took some text from Tinus Smits' website and posted it here, but I think I should just direct you to his site to read his own writing on the remedy.

www.tinussmits.nl
click on "Inspiring Homeopathy" link and read. You'll be surprised to learn that Carcinosin has been studied, used, and documented by Boericke and Burnett, long before Foubister; and that there are other homeopaths who have conducted provings of the remedy on their own.

Just a little note: I had a teacher once, very much like Hans in his condemnation of the use of this remedy "because it had never been proved" (although there is literature which proves this belief to be a myth, along iwth a wealth of a century of use and the clinically verified results of using the remedy, provided by a number of homeopaths). He treated a patient of mine several years ago, and prescribed phosphorus for him, which did nothing at all. Too bad he was so averse to the remedy he didn't give Carcinosin, which, it turns out, looks an awful lot like a similimum at this stage of his treatment. To me, the phosphorus simply didn't fit this patient, physically or mentally/emotionally. It looked like it might be close, but simply wasn't.

It may be too early to tell, but after the carcinosin, some lifelong problems have already been resolved, some major changes have been put into place in the patient's life, and many painful, long standing (more than 12 years, in some instances) physical complaints are disappearing in the right direction of cure. It remains to be seen whether or not the remedy will "hold", but for now, all things look very good.

BIAS is still BIAS, and whenever it is put into play it is always the patient who ends up paying the price.

Also, I shudder to think what would have happened to Amy Lansky's son Max if her homeopath decided to conclude, erroneously, that Carcinosin just wasn't "known" enough to be used. Thankfully, she has a son who is fully cured of autism after being given only that remedy. Again: bias costs. Hahnemann said so. Groove on that a little while, Hans.

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Dear Members

As there is no longer any doubt, that Rickie’s and Divina’s advices are not in line with the rules and regulations governing homeopathy, I will now come to the initial question.
In the first post it was written:

>> I was given it following an EAV consultation which showed my triple warmer meridian was low and required a miasm. <<

This way of selecting remedies via EAV is alien to homeopathy. In homeopathy it is the signs and symptoms alone , which govern the selection of a remedy, not any EAV testing.

My personal advice is to take your ‘’homeopaths’’ shrugging of shoulders as: ‘’I don’t know what’s going on and I don’t know what to do.’’

In this instant, you should find a homeopath that is known to work in line with homeopathic rules and principles. He / she will take your case in detail, and besides advising you on dietarian and habitual matters will also select a remedy suitable to remove your ailment.

For those who aspire to become a homeopath here are the paragraphs from the Organon concerning this matter: 249, 250, 252, 255-261, 167, 170, 183, also 180 and 195 .

On the matter of carcinosum
As in Divina’s link already stated carcinosum (Nelson) is a combination remedy.
On request, Nelson was unable to name the donors and the time when these samples were taken.
This combination remedy was never proven, nor is the source traceable in that sense, that in case this remedy gets lost or destroyed, it can be reproduced in an identical way.
But this is a pivotal point in homeopathy:
WE HAVE TO BE SURE, THAT THE REMEDY WE USE IS IDENTICAL TO THE ONE PROVED.
Otherwise every proving becomes meaningless.

Regards provings of Carcinosum:
There has been a partial proving by Templeton 1956, which was published, in the British journal.
The latest proving { 2003 ] was undertaken by a student-group under the supervision of Dr. U. Friedrich and B. Viereck / Heidelberg, Germany, and is published in the ZKH 1/2003. Again, this latest proving is incomplete, but the source of the material is clear in this trial.

Being conscious of the dangers giving advice on health matters, I felt obliged to highlight the earlier shortcomings in the interest of all serious homeopaths, their patients and all the other sufferers yet to discover homeopathy.

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I repeat my question to you Hans- do you dismiss the possibility of using any of the Rx that have been proved Jeremy Sherr? Are you able to cure all your patients on the restrictive number of Remedies from Boenninghausen?

Oooh, thanks for this information.
Good discussion!

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Hallo Ricky

Neither of those questions can be answered with a clear yes or a clear no. All I can say in short is: it depends on—
I belief you are coming to Ireland in the near future. Call in for more info. I offer a tutorial service to interested homeopaths, where I explain these matters in detail.

Hans Weitbrecht
Consultant Homeopath

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Oh yes. Nelson's Carcinosinum, as described in the article, is a "combination" remedy in the exact same way that Natrum Muriaticum is a combination remedy.

Or Calcarea carbonica.

Or Kali bromatum.

Or ...well I'm sure you get it by now.

Mel cum Sale.

Nelson's is not required to name donors, that information is irrelevant.
You can always check out all the information available about this remedy, and notice--like many homeopaths have already done--that the differences between the various provings are negligible.

As Sankaran noticed with Lac Humanum...the difference between the proving outcomes of Lac Humanum from a single source, and the Lac Maternum (made from the combined milks of several women) is negligible.

A lot of people don't share Han's opinion about the "provings" and which are legitimate or not--each of us is in the position to determine whether the information is useful to us on with our own abilities. I personally happen to think that many provings are done well, and are useful: even after the ones done by Hahnemann (as many have pointed out, were often done with too few provers, and were often compromised by the fact that the provers knew what they were taking).

I noticed yet another slam against me in the above post--but I guess, Hans, you gotta do what you gotta do.

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Would love to meet you Hans butyou said you were 3 hours away from Galway and that is too far as I won't have transport (am flying in) and I trust the conference will be too interesting to miss a thing!!

I seem to have kicked off a rather fierce debate about carsinosin, which as a layperson I find difficult to follow.
However, I did look at the carcinosin section on Tinus Smits' website and the personality traits resonated A LOT! The lack of emotional boundaries also link in with my environmental sensitivities. I often feel 'got at' by all the things I react to.
Interestingly, I improved enormously following a dose of vaccininum 200 three years ago. Tinus mentions the lack of a proper immune response (ie defences/boundaries) following vaccination in carcinosin patients.
However, it is nearly a month since I took the remedy and the aggravation remains. I have basically got to a point where I'm too afraid to take another remedy in case it makes my symptoms worse.
I live in the South West London area - does anyone know of a good homeopath in the London area I could really trust?

I'm not sure if she's in your area, but you'll get very good recommendations about Sheilagh Creasey...other than that, I'm hoping someone close to where you are will offer up services or know of someone good you can see.

It's always best to avoid treatment by friends or family members, especially when the case has chronic illness as opposed to just minor stuff, like first aid care or the odd acute ailment. Someone should post information for you here, soon.

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