jkw you said "Perhaps I've just been unlucky, but I have encountered this problem on several occasions with homeopathic treatment - longterm aggravation is termed as a healing crisis. I have had healing crises from rememdies and they have been short-lived and I have always felt better afterwards."

....... one dose of carc in high potency can bring so many chemical changes in the body chemistry which ultimately help us in breaking the "unknown blockade", which was interfering in our similimum. .........

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Well, this is a rather massive assumption you're presenting, Kasaur.

You're making all kinds of conclusions about the way this homeopath took the case, analyzed the case, and prescribed the remedy. To say that all homeopaths experiment with Carcinosin, and all homeopaths prescribe it based on not taking a full case, is utter nonsense.

So is the "advice" given to stop the remedy...when absolutely no information about the case has been given to you.

Kasaur Naheed, you've given us a TON of evidence here to judge exactly who is guilty of "experimentation" on a patient, and prescribing without taking a case...and it's clear the guilty party is not the homeopath who is treating this patient.

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I only prescribe Carc (and any other remedy) after taking a full case. Where do you get your facts from Kausar? Professional homeopaths do not experiment with their patients and I feel it is very presumptuous of you to write otherwise.

Dear Members
After reading the thread, I want to point out a few things.
[for those member who havent’t read them before]

CARCINOSUM has not been proven properly at all. Furthermore is there no guaranty , that the product we buy is actually identical with the One partially proven.

To give, or to advice to take CARCINOSUM on a test basis is not homeopathic treatment but homeopathic proving.

To my awareness JKW was not looking for a medical trail performed on him/her, but for curative action.

Homeopaths also don’t engage in a hit-and-miss therapy advocated by Divina and Ricky.

It also should be borne in mind, that remedies and particularly nosodes can imprint onto the liveforce. I have seen such imprinted ailments repeatedly from CARCINOSUM regardless which potency was used. Those imprints are often almost impossible to remove and make a proper recovery under homeopathic treatment impossible.

I cannot but admire Rickie’s short-term memory:
She wrote on the 12 of june 9.44

>> I only prescribe Carc (and any other remedy) after taking a full case. Where do you get your facts from Kausar? Professional homeopaths do not experiment with their patients and I feel it is very presumptuous of you to write otherwise.<<

but advised on the 9th of June:
>> I'd say, just take the 12c once. And let things be. [Divina]
Yes - just the 1 dose <<

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Hans, I've just reread the post. Ricky did not prescribe Carc. It was JKW's homeopath who prescribed the remedy. Ricky was trying to tone down the aggravation without changing the prescription. It is true that the Carc available from the pharmacies is not at all the one used in the proving. I think one needs to order Carc-burnett in order to get the exact Carc that was used in the proving.

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Hi Shirley
This ''want to tone down'' by repeating a remedy already aplied in a higher potency in a lower potencies defies all homeopathic principles and rules.

If a remedy was selected badly, the best way is to find a better one immediately and aply that. See for that in the Organon 249.
And it does not read there, that you should repeat the illfated remedy.

On the subject of antidoting in general:
you will find enough on my site in the article about the remedyrelationships.

Reg.: source of CARCINOSUM
Im am unclear, if the remedy Burnett made up is actaully still in existance.
He made up different remedies from different tissues.
Nelson' s is also selling a mix product of 7.
Templetons partial proving was done with a unknown preparation.
So doubts over doubts ---
Would you feel save to be put onto such a doubtful remedy and after experiencing unpleasant effects to be told by another Homeopath to repeat the same thing in a lower potency??
It was KENT !!! who spoke out clearly against any use of low potencies.

Hans Weitbrecht
Consultant Homeopath
Ireland

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Consultant Homeopath

Hans, you may say whatever you like about others here. I've noticed you love to take pot shots at me, quite often. Every opportunity, actually. I find it more than a little flattering. If you really thought I could do nothing in this field, you wouldn't quake in your boots at my presence, my opinion, or my contributions here. But here you are, quaking.

Everyone on this bulletin board can read and formulate their own conclusions.
People who study homeopathy know that carcinosin is a remedy that has in fact been used for decades, has in fact been put through provings, and has in fact helped many practitioners amass clinical as well as proving data which have helped to cure countless people, all over the world.

That may stick in your craw, but those are the facts about this remedy.

When you do nothing but criticize the way others practice, nothing shows but your own insecurity and fear.

Try to keep up with modern literature which has made documentation of the use and proving of this remedy. If you don't want to continue your learning and your reading, try and find some other pass time besides slagging everyone who practices, besides you. It only makes you look sad.

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I agree with Divina - there have been hundreds of Rx proved and if I am correct you just restrict yourself to the ones from Boenninghausen's Rep. In this day and age I feel this is quite restrictive but as I always say - I use what works for me and my patients as you obviously do for yours.
Re Carc. you are correct in saying that there are many forms of this. I personally often prescribe the one from Ainsworth , which is a mix of 15 nosodes and is as prescribed by Tinus Smit. Please see his website for an excellent description of this Rx. If I am prescribing via Dr Ranamkrishan's protocol I will use the single nosode of Carc. from Helios. I have had wonderful success with this Rx when the symptoms match.

Nuela Eising from Ireland proves Rx and I have used her version of Mobile Phone which cured a patient of his headaches he got everytime he used his!!

Would you also never consider using the remedies proved so carefully by Jeremy Sherr?

I think you are a great homeoapth Hans with very sound principles but your prescribing technique is not the only one that works. The important things are 1 remedy, minimum dose , prescribed according to the totallity of the presenting symptoms at that time.

I go to as many conferences as I can to keep up with the new provings and attempt to understand the many new prescibing techniques including ways of finding the remedy as in Sankaran's levels, his Plant Animal and mineral differentiation, Scholten's Elements etc . I use what I can get my head around and what seems to work for me towards making my patients healthier and happier.

Divina,
As far as I know, Carc hasn't been fully proven yet. Foubister did some initial observations of pregnant patients way way back, but that's as far as it got according to my sources.
Are you saying someone has carried out a full proving on it recently?
If so - when - whom (which cancer?)??!! I'd like to know.

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Dear Members
Where are those provings of carcinosinum??

Personal accusations do not replace sound reasoning on the grounds of homeopathic rules and principles.

When Ricky prescribes what works for her, then she certainly does her own thing, her own therapy – the Ricky-therapy. But to claim that the ricky- therapy is homeopathy is a fallacity,-- it lacks the fundamental grounding of reliable provings for the remedies she uses.

Divina speaks for herself—instead of actually becoming knowledgably in homeopathic rules and principles, necessary to call oneself a homeopath she rather engages in a personal smear-campaign against me.

In short—the suggestions given earlier on this tread by Divina and Ricky show quite clearly the lack of knowledge and expertise of those two in the field.
My post regarding this remains undisputed.
In fact -- neither Ricky nor divina were able to back up their advice of repeating Carcinosum in this situation with anything.

It remains the choice of the two to overcome their shortcomings regardes homeopathic rules and principles, or to remain ignorant --as they have been till now--,and continuing to spread wrong and dangerous advice to the detriment of their patients, people on this board seeking help and homeopathy.

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