Hey guys, I have been treating this cat for ever. He was diagnosed with Feline Eosinophilic granuloma (rodent ulcer)about a year ago after biopsy of circular (slightly raised) ulcers on the upper palate. It started with skin lesions. He was treated with a variaty of remedies, but has had nothing for at least 6 months. His skin is completely clean (has been totally free of lesions for the last 4 months) and no reoccurance of the mouth ulcers. No allopathic meds and is on a natural diet. He has always had a bit of a hack, but since his skin cleared up its become increasingly worse. Its difficult to explain, a hoarse, spasmadic chocking fit. There is NO expecterant and I've tried to look down the throat as far as possible, but can't spot anything (I suspect perhaps that he may have an ulcer down there, but can't say for sure). The other symptoms include:

cough worsens at rest (sleep) and in the evening and morning
cat snores, sounds like nasal conjestion but no discharge or sneezing
eyes are red-rimmed, with slightly swollen inner conjunctiva, watery-brown discharge
cat will sometimes drool when stimulated (petting mostly)a small amount
no smell from the mouth
mucus membranes are a darker red than is normal
appetite, water intake, stool & urine normal
coat is smooth, glossy, not much sheading

I have looked at a lot of remedies, none of which seemed to encompass all the symptoms (ie if I look at time and circumstance, there should be expercterant and visa versa).

Any suggestions? I spent most of last night on his case and seemed to be going round in circles.

kkkrista, have a look at kkkali bich.

I dunno....a skin ailment clearing up should not be followed up by coughing, which worsens as the skin ailment clears. There is a possibility, however small, that suppression might have occured, especially if the cough "just materialised" as improvement took place.

That being said, you could also try just looking at any complementary remedies to the ones you used successfully--look for a complement which could follow your last remedies well that encompasses all the remaining symptoms.

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I had the cat checked today, no visible ulceration, however the vet could feel a thicken in the throat that could be one. These ulcers are round with an outer round red crust and the inside of the circle is whitish and rough. They are very deep and penetrating (with infection) and impossible to get rid of allopathically unless surgurcally removed (needed to be dug out). The wierd cough has been with this cat all along and was worse with the original mouth ulcers (palate) and got better once they were removed. The cough was infrequent after that but in the last 3 weeks has become progressively worse, which is why I believe he has another ulcer deep in the throat. I have a Jahr book (TG, 40 yrs practice) that describes these ulcerations to a T (Apthous angina faucium), in which it suggests, ign, merc (only if the ulcers are ready and ripe) and Carbo veg, Nit ac, caps. All of them however talk about mucus discharges and expectorant which this cat doesn't have.

I looked at Kali Bi last night Anna, which talks about thick & stringy plugs, but seems better at rest? (That was Boger) maybe I will look at other sources as well because Kali bi is great with ulceration right?

I should also mention that I did give him sulph 30ch about a week ago with no change. The only rememdy that had any action in the past on him was merc, it simply "raised" the ulcers but did not eradicate and actually seemed to intensivy his situation (not ripe?).

In the past, the lesions started on the body, went to the mouth, then after the mouth was cleaned up, went back to the body, now clear on the body and now possibly back in the throat. I'm seem to be working with a cycle here.

[ 23. December 2003, 19:03: Message edited by: kkrista ]

Well, it could be that merc isn't acting deep enough and you need to consider a complementary remedy which would be more deeply acting. Right now, its palliating--but this healthy cat gets better only to develop enough healthy strength to push more of his symptomatology out!

Perhaps consider that a miasmatic "block" is at work here. Have you looked up Badiaga? It is complementary to Merc, but its modalities are opposite to merc. It also has the "swelling" sensation you describe and the cough.

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Hi Chacha, I did look up Badiaga in Allen's, don't really see it. I did have another look at Kali bi in Allens and I'm starting to see a bit of a fit. It seems to be worsening with every passing day so I will have to make a decision soon. I looked again at ign and like it somewhat too. Oh what to do?!? I guess I will check a few more sources and decide on something tonight. Who knows maybe merc might be best in the end again. I did so much reading on ulcers last night because I have yet another kitty who has forearm ulcers from an upper resp infection. She has one penetrating so deep, when I had the vet look at it they said it was nearly to the cartilidge.

Hi Krista,

Take a look at Badiaga in Boericke's, and see if that description, which is really one of a deeply progressed pathology (your cat's doesn't seem that bad), isn't a better fit.

What do you think brings about these kinds of ulcerations in cats? I haven't seen this in many animals, so I'm curious.

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Hi Chacha, I will check Boericke. I did decide to give him 30ch Ign because the coughing has become worse, causing him discomfort. He didn't want to eat last night, but this morning did. It also sound like increased mucus and he is definitly starting to swallow back something he is hacking up.

This is an auto-immune disease; its kind of like an allergy and is becoming increasingly more frequent. It appears to manifest in different looking lesions so unless a lab diagnosis is made (biopsy) it is usually treated like an allergy with antibiotics and steriods. In this cats case, it started shortly after he was placed in a home. The owner's vet started depomedro shots, prednisone and antiobiotics with him and continued to vaccinate the cat for everything under the sun. Once he was turned over to us again, we stopped all allopathic treatment and have been treating homeopathically except when he had the palate lesions removed (which is when we biopsied and found out what we were dealing with). The vet was animate about prednisone treatment afterwards, but of course I refused, he has been living with me for the last 6 months, eating a natural diet and continuing with homeopathic prescriptions. The fear was (and why they wanted him on prednisone) that the lesions would end up locating in difficult spots where we would not be able to surgically remove them -which is what I think has happened.

The otherday when the vet (a different one) checked the cat, I refused the depo shot again, citing that the shot had never been benificial in the past (with the last owners). The vet agreed that if it had no effect before it wouldn't be helpful now.

Well, how awful for this kitty to have been given so much steroid...

perhaps what this cat needs is a long treatment with homeopathy--I mean, knowing that reparative treatment will take a long time. A lot of suppression has taken place. I hope the process doesn't take a really long time, and that it isn't too painful for him/her.

How did the ignatia do?

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anything new happen over the weekend?

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