Big Bucks in the FluMist Vaccine

ChaChaHeels · #1 (**permalink**) 7th December 2003, 12:05 PM

Just got this from a mailing list I'm on:

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Risks of FluMist Vaccine
An Investigation By Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
www.nmaseminars.com

"MedImmune, the manufacturer of FluMist, recently announced that it signed
an agreement that makes FluMist, the new intranasal influenza vaccine,
readily available to people as they shop at Wal-Mart, the worlds biggest
retailer." [1]

As the physician in charge of a bustling Integrative medical clinic,
questions about vaccines frequently arise. After reading about the
MedImmune-Walmart joint venture, I felt compelled to warn our patients and
our internet subscribers of the potentially serious complications that may
come from direct and passive exposure to this new vaccine. I also wanted to
give a "heads up" to everyone regarding the onslaught of advertising that
is about to besiege them.

Hundreds of TV and print advertisements have been designed to persuade
everyone into taking the FluMist plunge. The campaign will be the "most
intense, direct-to-consumer marketing campaign ever waged for a vaccine,"
costing an estimated $25 million over the next 2.5 months [2]. In addition,
Wyeth, MedImmune's partner, plans a three-year, $100 million campaign to
encourage use of the nasal flu vaccine among physicians.[3]

The television arm of the blitz campaign will focus on the "inconveniences"
that your family, friends and co-workers will endure if you don't get the
flu shot and subsequently contract the flu. Print advertisements and
magazine articles apparently will use scare tactics—similar to those that
were used while promoting the smallpox vaccine—which warned of the high
possibility of a "bioterror attack using the flu virus."[4]

Apparently, the goal seems to center around frightening—or inducing enough
guilt—that everyone would begin to demand the vaccine as soon as it is
available. And at nearly $70 a dose, this will be a financial bonanza for
MedImmune and Wyeth, who are expecting the vaccine to become the
blockbuster new drug that will push MedImmune's revenues to more than
$1billion/year. [5]

However, there are many reasons for caution. FluMist contains live
(attenuated) influenza viruses that replicate in the nasopharynx of the
vaccine recipient. The most common side effects include "cough, runny
nose/nasal congestion, irritability, headaches, chills, muscle aches and
fever > 100° F."[6] These symptoms are nearly identical to those the flu
vaccine is designed to prevent. [7]

A cause for significant concern is the vaccine's most prevalent side
effects: "runny nose" and "nasal congestion." It has been documented that
the live viruses from the vaccine can be shed (and potentially spread into
the community) from recipient children for up to 21 days, [8] and even
longer from adults.[9] Viral shedding also puts breastfeeding infants at
risk if the mother has been given FluMist. [10]

In addition to shedding via nasal secretions, the virus can be dispersed
through sneezing. What is the normal physiological response when an
irritant enters the nasal passages? A sneeze...sometimes a big
sneeze...sometimes several big sneezes. Therefore, the risk for
shedding—and spreading—live viruses throughout a school, church, workplace,
or store — especially one which is administering the vaccine.

In the section of the FlumMist package insert labeled "PRECAUTIONS," the
manufacturer states the following warning:

"FluMist® recipients should avoid close contact with immunocompromised
individuals for at least 21 days."

The warning is specifically directed toward those living in the same
household with an immunocompromised person, but the on-going release of
live viruses throughout the community may be a significant risk to everyone
who has a weak, or weakened, immune system.

The number of immunocompromised people in the United States is enormous:
It is estimated that at least 10%, or more than 28 million people have
eczema. [11]
More than 8.5 million people have cancer. [12]
There are reported to be 850,000 individuals with diagnosed and undiagnosed
HIV infection or AIDS [13] and
Based on 2001 data, there were 184,000 organ recipients [14]
An even more extensive list of at-risk people includes the untold millions
on drugs called corticosteroids. Prednisone®, Medrol®, and a variety of
similar medications are given to both adults and children. These drugs are
prescribed for dozens of conditions including asthma; allergies; eczema;
emphysema; Crohn's disease; multiple sclerosis; herniated spinal discs;
acute muscular pain syndromes; and all types of rheumatoid and autoimmune
diseases. As much as 60% of the entire population could be considered to be
"chemically immunosuppressed." It is important to realize that FluMist is
CONTRAINDICATED for people who are immunocompromised. People who receive
FluMist and are living with an immunocompromised person put their loved
ones at risk.

Will this make stores that administer the vaccines—like Walmart and the
other pharmaceutical chain stores that have announced they will carry
FluMist [15]—risky places to shop for large segments of the population?
What measures will be taken in these stores to ensure that the virus will
not become commingled with food? What hand washing policy is going to be
enforced in the stores for all Walmart employees and customers who have
received FluMist? These are reasonable questions that deserve answers.

The target market for FluMist is "healthy children and adults, ages 5 to 49
yrs." Some believe that by vaccinating these people, a type of "herd
immunity" will occur that will protect the very young and the elderly who
are excluded from getting this vaccine. However, it is these very "at-risk"
populations who may suffer the most from the flu by being exposed to people
who are given FluMist.

According to information presented at the May, 2003 National Influenza
Summit,[16] approximately 85% of Americans between the ages of 20 and 50 go
unvaccinated, and nearly 66% between the ages of 50 and 64 do not receive
the flu vaccine. Have there been "raging epidemics" across the country due
to lack of flu vaccinations? It appears that the massive campaign to
vaccinate everyone this year appears may be motivated, in part, by economics.

The viruses suspected to be the most likely cause for the flu this season
were negligibly different from the strains used in last year's flu vaccine.
Therefore, the influenza vaccine produced for the 2003- 2004 season is
identical in composition to the one used last year. This marks only the
second time that the same strains have been used during two consecutive flu
seasons.[17] Consider that antibodies from other viral vaccines—such as
MMR, polio and chickenpox vaccines—last at least 3 years, and in some
instances, up to 15 years. If the viruses used in the vaccine are the same
as last year, why is this year's vaccine even necessary?

An ever greater concern about FluMist is the contents within the vaccine.
Each 0.5ml of the formula contains 10 6.5-7.5 particles of live, attenuated
influenza virus. That means that between 10 million and 100 million viral
particles will be forcefully injected into the nostrils when administered.
The viral strain was developed by serial passage through "specific
pathogen-free primary chick kidney cells" and then grown in "specific
pathogen-free eggs." That means that the culture media was free of
pathogens that were specifically tested for, but not a culture that was
necessarily "pathogen-free." The risk that the vaccine may contain
contaminant avian retroviruses still remains. In addition, a stabilizing
buffer containing potassium phosphate, sucrose (table sugar) and nearly 0.5
mg of monosodium glutamate (MSG) is added to each dose. [18]

One of the most troubling concerns over the injection of this "chemical
soup" is the potential for the viruses to enter directly into the brain. At
the top of the nasal passages is a paper-thin bone called the cribriform
plate. The olfactory nerves pass through this bone and line the nasal
passages, carrying messenger molecules to the brain that are identified as
"smells" familiar to us. The olfactory tract has long been recognized as a
direct pathway to the brain. Intranasal injection of certain viruses has
resulted in a serious brain infection called encephalitis, presumably by
direct infection of the olfactory neurons that carried the viruses to the
brain.[19] Time will tell whether the live viruses in FluMist will become
linked to cases of encephalitis.

The pharmaceutical companies do not necessarily always do a reasonable job
of considering the "down side" when they are pushing new drugs or new
vaccines. FluMist has the potential for causing the worst, most severe flu
epidemic seen in years. Parents tell their young children not to put things
up their noses because they might cause them harm. It would be wise to
consider that advice for adults. With all the risks involved, one should be
extremely cautious about what one allows to be sprayed in one's nose.

REFERENCES

DowJones Business News. Sept. 12, 2003. FluMist Available In Pharmacies
This Fall. http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030910/0017000011_2.html
Washington Post. Nasal spray for flu to get big media launch. Sept. 10,
2003, pg. E01
Washington Post. Spray vaccine for flu wins FDA clearance. June 18, 2003.
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Mohammed, Madjid. Influenza as a bioweapon. J.R.Soc.Med. 2003;96:345- 346.
Adler, Neil. MedImmune awaits the $1 billion mark and a new flu drug. The
Business Gazette. Feb. 7, 2003.
http://www.gazette.net/200306/busine.../143250-1.html
FluMist package insert.
Vesikari T., et al. A randomized, double-blind, placebo- controlled trial
of the safety, transmissibility and phenotypic stability of a live,
attenuated, cold-adapted influenza virus vaccine (CAIV-T) in children
attending day care. Presented at the 41st Annual Interscience Conference on
Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, (Chicago, IL). 2001
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Zangwell, Kenneth. Cold-adapted, live attenuated intranasal influenza virus
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HC, ed. Atopic Dermatitis: The Epidemiology, Causes and Prevention of
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cancer.gov/Prevalence/canques.html. Accessed January 3, 2002.
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Transplant. Available at www.unos.org /. Accessed January 14, 2002.
Allan and Harold Rubin, MS, ABD, CRC. September 26, 2003. Vaccinations and
the Elderly. http://www.therubins.com/aging/vacine.htm
May 20-21, 2003, the National Influenza Summit. Chicago, IL.
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FluMist package insert.
Knipe, David. M. Ed. Fields Virology. Philadelpthis: Lippincott, 4th ed.
2001. pg. 1057

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Better get those encephalitis remedies ready.

Starburn · #2 (**permalink**) 7th December 2003, 02:58 PM

From one of the sources

Quote:

It is necessary to receive an influenza vaccine injection each year, since influenza infections are usually caused by different kinds of influenza viruses each year and because the protection gained by the vaccine lasts less than a year.

Seem to pretty much answer this question

Quote:

If the viruses used in the vaccine are the same as last year, why is this year's vaccine even necessary?

So I would appear that the good doctor does not even read the sources that she sites.

ntpathy · #3 (**permalink**) 7th December 2003, 03:12 PM

Starburn, from what I understand the protection lasting less than a year is due to the fact that the virus usually changes year to year, not that the "protection" wears off within a year. As stated, this years vaccine is identical to last years so repeat vaccination seems redundant.

Starburn, do you have any honest interest in homeopathy? Do you have any reason for being here other than to spread your quackbusting BS? I just don't see any reason for your presence.

Starburn · #4 (**permalink**) 7th December 2003, 03:18 PM

read the second half of the quote

Quote:

It is necessary to receive an influenza vaccine injection each year, since influenza infections are usually caused by different kinds of influenza viruses each year and because the protection gained by the vaccine lasts less than a year.

another source

Quote:

and because protection provided by the vaccine does wane over the course of a year, one year's vaccine does not protect you during the next season. You need to be vaccinated every year with the vaccine designed to protect you against the viruses circulating that season.

found here

[ 07. December 2003, 15:31: Message edited by: Starburn ]

LisaAnnan · #5 (**permalink**) 7th December 2003, 04:45 PM

Oh boy, more academic-super-duper-logic.

Someone must have missed the part about

Quote:

The most common side effects include "cough, runny
nose/nasal congestion, irritability, headaches, chills, muscle aches and fever > 100° F."[6] These symptoms are nearly identical to those the flu vaccine is designed to prevent.

I guess this bit was overlooked as well:

Quote:

A cause for significant concern is the vaccine's most prevalent side effects: "runny nose" and "nasal congestion." It has been documented that the live viruses from the vaccine can be shed (and potentially spread into the community) from recipient children for up to 21 days, [8] and even longer from adults.[9] Viral shedding also puts breastfeeding infants at risk if the mother has been given FluMist. [10]

Hm. That's encouraging.

And, this must've been missed too:

Quote:

In addition to shedding via nasal secretions, the virus can be dispersed
through sneezing.

This was missed too!:

Quote:

In the section of the FlumMist package insert labeled "PRECAUTIONS," the manufacturer states the following warning:

"FluMist® recipients should avoid close contact with immunocompromised individuals for at least 21 days."

The warning is specifically directed toward those living in the same household with an immunocompromised person, but the on-going release of live viruses throughout the community may be a significant risk to everyone who has a weak, or weakened, immune system.

But no one ever reads the fine print. They bank on it - literally.

So let me get this logic straight - Starburns logic is :
Two choices.
1) Don't take the vaccine and maybe won't get the flu at all! [Psssst, if you do catch it naturally, then you will build your own immunity. psssst - your own natural immunity is far superior than a vaccine.....]

Or

2) Take the vaccine and definitely get the flu symptoms (side effects). And expose others. blah blah blah.

Getting the flu from taking flumist is better, how??

If you catch a virus - you will have immunity.
If you take a vaccine, then you're dealing with other substances. I think I'd rather get the flu naturally. Or I might not get it at all, thank you very much.

The mind boggles, Cha.
I've got to go wash my hair now. Nice chattin dahlin.

Starburn · #6 (**permalink**) 7th December 2003, 05:19 PM

I did see all those bit I was just staring with the bit I had the information to hand for.

Quote:

The most common side effects include "cough, runny
nose/nasal congestion, irritability, headaches, chills, muscle aches and fever > 100° F."[6] These symptoms are nearly identical to those the flu vaccine is designed to prevent.

Flu kills I have yet to trace a single death due to the vacine. Sure I'm not saying the vacination is fun. From the same source that I used before

Quote:

The nasal-spray flu vaccine is approved for vaccinating healthy people aged 5 to 49 years and is a useful alternative flu protection for those who find the flu shot frightening or painful. This vaccine may cause nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat, and cough--symptoms of a cold. Mild reactions to the nasal mist vaccine are not unexpected and should be brief.

So yes it can cause some relitivly mild symptons but nothing like full blown flu.

LisaAnnan · #7 (**permalink**) 7th December 2003, 06:05 PM

Oh, okay - so you get mild symptoms (not) and you also just get a flimsy immunity from the vaccine. Why not real immunity.

AND HELLLLLOOOOOOOOOOO --- excuuuuuuuuuse me -- but just WHO do you think is KILLED by the flu?

Immunosuppressed people.
And WHO is not allowed to get the vaccine?????
Immunsupressed people.
Why?
Because the flu kills them and so could the vaccine.

And giving the vaccine to regular folks not only causes them problems but exposes the immunosuppressed people.

Sorry Starburn, but honestly, mate --- think about it.

Did you know that the children who died recently from the flu recently were Down's Syndrome children? They were in ill health already - immunosuppressed.
Where did they get it from?
I don't know.
Either way, no one can keep every immunosuppressed person safe. Vaccines certainly don't help the immunusuppressed!! They expose them further!!!!

Even some conventional doctors (the few who have any integrity however ignorant they may be about disease from their indoctrination) avoid flu vaccines like the plague because they can connect-the-obvious-dots.

Starburn · #8 (**permalink**) 7th December 2003, 06:26 PM

I assmue that these are the five deaths among children you are talking about. The article does not mention down's so could you provide a link?

LisaAnnan · #9 (**permalink**) 7th December 2003, 06:43 PM

No Starburn, I was not talking about Australia. I don't know of a link. I read it on lyghtforce. I looked for the source in my mail box, but I've already deleted those mails today. Perhaps you can find it in the archives.

The logic still stands.

LisaAnnan · #10 (**permalink**) 7th December 2003, 06:46 PM

I ask, "Is the vaccine worth this?"
Link to article below

Quote:

Flu virus attacks child despite vaccination
Health of twins declined rapidly after the weekend

By Brian D. Crecente, Rocky Mountain News
December 6, 2003

Janelle Portillis clung to 20- month-old Diego, his tiny frame lost in a yellow hospital gown and his face covered with a mask, sad blue eyes staring into space.

Brian Huckabay, Portillis' husband, shook his head and talked Friday about the flu death of Diego's twin brother, Dezmond.

"It happened so quickly," he said. "It went from Sunday them being perfectly healthy to Wednesday one being dead and the other being in the ER. That virus, it's out there, and it's not done."

On Thanksgiving, Diego and Dezmond Huckabay were fine - happy 20-month-olds eating turkey and pumpkin pie at their Pueblo home.

During the weekend, the twins spent time with their grandparents and went to a friend's birthday party.

On Monday, Dezmond got sick. Diego followed the next day.

But the parents weren't worried - both boys had had their flu shots, and a doctor's visit ended with a prescription.

Early Wednesday, however, the twins got worse, and the family rushed them to the emergency room, where they were prescribed more medication and sent home.

Later that morning, their grandmother found Diego wheezing in his bed and Dezmond dead.

"She ran into my room and said, 'He ain't breathing. He ain't breathing. He's cold,' " Portillis said.

Diego was rushed to a Pueblo hospital, where doctors found his throat constricted and his lungs shutting down. They decided to fly him to Children's Hospital in Denver.

"I went crazy," Portillis said. "I don't know how to explain. I've never felt that way before."

Diego is recovering at Children's, but the family says he knows his brother is gone.

"He's going to be alone -- that's going to be so hard for him," Huckabay said. "Every time someone comes into the room, he looks and he doesn't see his brother. He doesn't see him."

Diego lay quietly in his mother's arms, one hand pressed to his mask-covered face, eyes searching.

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