Dear friends,


For a change -

I met recently a person, who had a very interesting sort of philosophy - he stated that he was very cautious not to become involved too much in anything - he did not try to learn computer, because he almost feared to become a "computer addict" like many people do, he even did not ever agree to go fishing with his friends, because "if you go once, you know very well that you become so involved that you end up spending all your free time on this". He earns a lot of money, is very communicative so is able to run his business very well and effectively, yet he does not use the money for himself - buys apartments for his children, former wife, from whom he went away, buys icons for senior houses - he is extremely religious.

It seemed to me that this sort of fear of getting addicted to things is quite singular, but I could not think of appropriate rubrics.

I did not, of course, take the full case, but this seems to be a major theme in the person's problems, he just cannot settle down, which makes him quite unhappy as he is a very affectionate and warm person, who had a childhood full of hardships, because his own father drowned when he was very small.

ANy ideas welcome!

Elena

Hi Elena,

Your friend seems to have trouble making a commitment to anything for any length of time, maybe a fear of making a decision because it may be too difficult to get out of the responsiblity of carrying that decision through.

This is ironic, considering his ability to be responsible and successful--to provide for his children and the wife he couldn't commit to...

Anyway, this is not all that uncommon in people who've been attached to something or someone in the past and have been traumatized by being separated from it or that specific person. The fear is that once they are committed, they will be left behind by the other party--so they leave first. The other party can be anything: an activity, an interest, a lover, a friend, a job, even a book...anything.

If you were to take the case, you might want to probe into this fear to really pinpoint what kind of fear exists behind this behaviour. It might be anything, but it would be very helpful to your understanding of the patient to find out.

Here are some rubrics to consider:


Mind, Indecision: ars, aur, bar-c, chin, graph, mur-ac, nux-v, sil, sulph, thuj

Mind, Irresolution: ( see also: antagonism; capricious; confidence, want of self; confusion, identity; discouraged, irresolution; doubtful; fear, undertaking anything; inconstancy; mood, changeable; postponing; thoughts, two train; timidity; will, two)

act-sp, agar2, alum-p, alum-sil, alum2, alumn, am-c, anac2, androc, ang, anh, apis, aran-ix2, arg-n2, anr, ars-i, ars2, asaf, aur=ar,aur-i, aur=s, aur, bar-acet, BAR-C, bar-i, bar-m2, bism, bry, bufo, bufo-s, buth-aust, cact., cadm-s, calc-ar, calc-f, calc-i, calc-p, calc-s, calc-sil2, calc2, camph, cann-i, cann-s, canth, carbn-s2, carc, caust, cench, cham, chel, chin-s, chin, cholo2, cimic, cina, clem, coca, cocc2, coch, coff, coll, coloc, con2, cortico, croc, crot=h, cub, cupr, cur2, daph, dig, dros, dulc, ferrf-ar, ferr-i, ferr-m, ferr-ma, ferr, graph2, grat, guare, guat, HELL, hydrog, hyos, hypoth, IGN, iod, ip2, kali-ar, kali-br, kali-c, kali-m, kali-p, kali-s, kali-sil2, kiss, lac-c, lac-d, LACH, laur, led, lyc2, lyss, m-arct, m-aust, m-p-a-, mag-m, mand, mang, med, merc2, mez2, mur-ac, naja2, nat-c, nat-m2, nat-sil, nit=-ac, nux-m2, nu-v2, ONOS, OP, pall, petr2, phos2, pic-ac, plat, plb, psor2, puls2, rad-br, rauw, rheum, rhus-t, ruta, sanic, sant, seneg, sep2, sil2, spig, stann2, staph, sul-ac, sulph2, tab, tarax, tarent, ther, thuj, zinc-p, zinc.

Mind, Fear, undertaking anything:
(failure; responsibility; confidence, want of self; Undertakes nothing)
arg-n2, ars2, kali-p, lyc2, sil2

Mind, Fear, enterprise, a new (new persons) cupr, lyc, plb, sil2

Just off the top of my head--and we know what that's worth!! he sounds like he might need Aurum, if his situation created a kind of depression for him as a result. This observation's based on practically nothing--just his ability to be responsible at work and to his relatives by providing financial stability--while being unable to be responsible to them in other ways. I'm bringing it up because the apparent conflict there just makes me want to focus my attention there. You know more about him than I do from what you've written here, so just take that with a grain of salt.

[ 14. November 2003, 14:09: Message edited by: ChaChaHeels ]

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.....- he stated that he was very cautious not to become involved too much in anything .....

Kent(page 10) carefulness

concerned...not to BECOME involved...
...feared to become...
.. you become so ....
(key word 'become')
Kent(page 7) anxiety about future (stretch this idea))

Yet at same time very busy becoming monetarily stable or just busy to be busy;so a sort of 'restlesness' is occuring;but restlessness is too general.

And note this ....he is extremely religious....see ..is this not getting involved.
You will find this ..religiousness ...serves a purpose as does money...

Kent(page46) fear of poverty
Kent(page 71) religious affections

seeking stability within the outside world and where better than ...God and money. Everything else appears transient &gt;&gt;.so why become involved...
....very well and effectively, yet he does not use the money for himself - buys apartments for his children, former wife, from whom he went away, buys icons for senior houses - he is extremely religious........

monetary restlessness....


.... he just cannot settle down, which makes him quite unhappy .....
Kent(page 39)escape

...is a very affectionate and warm person....
Kent(page 1) affectionate
.... had a childhood full of hardships, because his own father drowned when he was very small...
Kent(page 50-51)greif

And ..NO to 'irresolution' rubric ...He earns a lot of money, is very communicative so is able to run his business very well and effectively........

SEE how observer/reader/listener attachs biased meaning and words are right in front of them.Reread CHACHA.


When prescribing the safest way to get remedy is to not base prescription totally on mind symptoms ..to much biasness can be involved by observer/listener.(applid meanings).. and to see (modality 'wise')..where this restlessness comes into play ...i.e. Restless in bed? if axiety envolved when NOT busy? amelioration by motion...Get more 'organic' symptoms..seek the physical and confirm with mentals.

Play with the ideas but ALWAYS come back to physical.

From above information.. nux-v or phos; but more apt nux-v

John Stanton
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[ 14. November 2003, 14:41: Message edited by: john stanton ]

Interesting case. I would look at the delusions and perhaps: MIND DELUSIONS things grow taller : Camph., dros., kreos., nit-ac., sulph.

Taking the case that his father died from drowning perhaps look at Drosera. Drosera is the plant that trap insects in a slimy juice and similar the patients do not like to be trapped.

If he must be careful not to become something, and has to put so much energy into avoiding it ( a classic Sycotic trait), then this is Compensation. His true nature is the thing he is trying not to be - I would consider a rubric like Monomania. Of course, any theme should be examined in great detail in a case, to see if there are deeper underlying motivations.

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CHacha,

I think you're right, I actually did not ask him about all those things, his history I know from another person, but it's not really clear what he feels about all this, which must be important for a serious analysis.

There is some fear behind his shying away from things, that's clear, he had a very wary look in his eyes when he talked about it, so probably I should probe into this one.

And fear of being trapped that Mose mentioned might be interesting - the person also has this idea about Jewish plot in the world, how Jews are out there to control and rule all other nations - this is something very often met with in highly religious Russian people, it seems, that it is so historically, but it's quite exaggerated in him as well. But it would be good to know what exactly this "threat" means personally to him - maybe he even decided to go into business to "counter those Jews", that is also possible.

Or is it the fear of being abandoned - suddenly left alone when he has committed himself deeply? - yes, I think now, that it is the nature of this fear that should be inquired into.

And not to forget the idea of Compensation, thank you, David!

He's a very hot person, so I even thought about Arg Nit - with that tendency to exaggerate the danger - like starting to run from hearing steps behind them, imagining that someone could be following him when it could have been his own steps that he heard.

Of course, I'd try to integrate the physical symptoms as well if I were to take his case to make a full analysis.

And probably there is a need to look for other themes that might emerge.

But thanks everybody for the ideas, anyway! I'm just in about this stage in my studies - trying to single out themes in a case, and describe them with rubrics, so this was a helpful perspective - still have a lot to do to learn to take a case... before starting to analyse it.

Best wishes, (and of course, more comments are welcome!)

Elena

Natrum - mur (father's death)

John, you might want to take another look at Elena's post to see that this person has in fact left (past tense) his wife, left his children, shied away from learning how to use a computer for fear of becoming too involved with it, or fishing, or other activities...

so his irresolute, fearful behaviour has taken place in the past as well as in the present, where it persists.

Yes, there is interpretation involved in case taking--but this isn't a case taking.

Elena never said that this person suffers from grief from the loss of his parent, just that he had some hardship in his childhood because his father drowned.

We don't know what hardship there was. We don't know if there is unresolved or long-held grief. We don't know if he is still suffering those hardships.

You'd have to take a full case for that, and ask him outright about those experiences and what he feels as a result of them.

You don't know how religious he is, either, just that he appears to be religious. You'd have to find out what it is about religiousness that has attracted him when all else has made him fearful of engaging.

Anyway, we're just tossing about suggestions for rubrics. Let's not start bashing each other here, okay?

[ 15. November 2003, 00:32: Message edited by: ChaChaHeels ]

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[ 16. November 2003, 13:02: Message edited by: Bema ]

It's okay, Bema,

INteresting link!

ELena