Because Vaccinosis is such an important subject and was recently vigorously refuted by MRC_Hans, irregardless of the previous threads and comments about deleterious effects from vaccinations, I want to encourage others to help me collect all of the rubrics on vaccine damage here for us to annotate them as cross references.

(Kent's REPERTORY on Emaciation of Upper Limbs After Vaccination)

EXTREMETIES, Emaciation of Upper Limbs, vaccination, after (K985): Maland., thuj.

(Kent's REPERTORY on Cough After Vaccination)

COUGH, Vaccination, after (K809): Thuj.

[ 28. October 2003, 08:08: Message edited by: Hahnemannian444 ]

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Albert, also Hahnemannian444B

I never refured that there were side-effects from vaccination. I refuted the notion that those side effects were serious compared to the advantageous effects.

Hans

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Yeah, that's what allopathic proponents say.

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Albert, also Hahnemannian444B

Youp, and we have the data to back it .

Hans

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Hans wants data for qualitative evaluations.

Anybody got any way of translating qualitative evaluations of health into numbers?

Hans, you should get a Nobel Prize if you can do that.

Till then, we will continue to see these cases complicated and even destroyed by vaccinations.

These are observations over 150 years old, Hans.

"Patient not well since vaccination" comes up with regularity in the old literature.

The British Kentians of the period of World War II had horror stories about this because of the manditory vaccination programs.

I feel it should be a capitol offense to require that people pollute the bodies of children with viruses, which by definition cannot be killed because they have no cellular metabolism and therefore are not alive, and with foreign proteins from the animal tissues upon which they were cultured, making this a massive genetic experiment concocted by idiots who think it's a really good idea to infect people.

[ 29. October 2003, 03:27: Message edited by: Hahnemannian444 ]

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Count all the patients. Count the ones who die. Count the ones who don't die. Subtract the ones who die from the count of all the patients OR subtract the count of ones who don't die from the count of all the patients. Write each total separately, and as percentages, on a sheet of paper. Sit down and have a cup of coffee.

That's the quantitative out of the way. Qualitative tomorrow.

Everyone in the Western World gets vaccinated as a child, don't they? Even you Albert. Measles, Mumps, Rubella.

[ 28. October 2003, 18:34: Message edited by: Timokay ]

Yeah, and I suffered chickenpox when I was 39 years old.

A GP buddy of mine said it was "the most florid case he'd ever seen."

I wanted to kill somebody for doing that to me and making it a common destiny via vaccinations.

Can't wait for mumps and measles (facetious), and I fear they may kill me if they occur when I'm elderly.

Who are these Fascists who en masse insist upon imposing their therapeutic imparitive upon everyone else?

If the damn things do what they're said to do, which is to impart immunity, then it shouldn't matter if others are vaccinated or not.

Who is still missing the flaw in their logic at every turn?

[ 29. October 2003, 03:40: Message edited by: Hahnemannian444 ]

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Albert:
Hans

[ 29. October 2003, 13:14: Message edited by: MRC_Hans ]

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The following links are interesting reading regarding vaccination

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From a practitioner point of view, not entering into the "big picture", I have frequently seen long term side effects from vaccines in children and in adults. I probably see at least one case a week like this. Considering how few people in Australia actually come to homoeopathy, that is a significant number. Many are told by doctors when they report this, that it is not a side effect related to the vaccine, and presumably the doctors do not report it.

From a personal perspective, I was vaccinated as an infant and toddler as most children here are. During my last lot of vaccinations at age 2, I went into a coma for 3 days. My mother repeatedly took me to the hospital, only to be told she was hysterical and that I would eventually wake up. When I did, I had asthma (within days of this event). This asthma stayed with me for 25 years (until I got to homoeoapthy) and nearly killed me on three separate occasions.

At age 26, before I realised the dangers inherent in vaccination, I was vaccinated for Hep B. Within days of the third shot, I developed Hepatitis, then weeks later a very serious Anxiety Disorder, then within 2 months severe Arthritis throughout my whole body. Fortunately, this brought me to homoeopathy, and so to my calling, and for that (at least) I am grateful. The homoeopath I saw suggested I look at the insert that comes with the vaccine, and lo and behold, side effects listed were Hepatitis, Anxiety , Rheumatoid arthritis and DEATH (amongst quite a few others).

[ 02. November 2003, 21:30: Message edited by: DavidJK ]

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David:
The websites you link to are not, I expect you will agree, exactly objective. The curves are for death rate. As most of the diseases in question are not mortal in themselves, it is not surprising that mortality rates were falling for a long time as clinical practice and epidemic handling improved (another credit to modern medicine). The core of the matter is that we no longer NEED those practices because the diseases have become extremely rare.

As for your own experiences:

First of all, you will probably get a large proportion of people who, for various reasons, are dissatisfied with mainstream medicine, so I don't think you can extrapolate your findings to the population in general.

Secondly: What is your medical education? What examination methods are you using? How can you ascertain that the problems you see are due to vaccination?

This goes for your personal experience too. But I will concede that your complications might be due to the vaccination; hepatitis B is one of the risky vaccines. When using such vaccines, one must weigh the risks of the vaccine against the risk of getting the disease.

I have looked into this myself a couple of years ago before a journey to Asia. Some sources recommended vaccination against hepatitis B, but seing the risks and realizing that my lifestyle would make the risk of getting the disease remote, I decided against vaccination.

Where I work, we are offered free vaccination against flu every autumn. The risks with the flu vaccine are small, but I never take it, since getting flu is after all merely an inconvinience for a healthy person.

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AM I the only one who sees the deep irony of this on a homeopathy board?


Hans

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