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Old 28th October 2003, 08:01 AM
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Because Scurvy was not found when mentioned by MRC_Hans, I post it here:

(Kent's REPERTORY on Scurvy)

GENERALITIES, Scurvy scorbutus (K1398): Alum., am-c., ambr., ang., ant-c., arg-m., ars-i., ars., aur., bell., bor., bov., bry., calc., canth., caps., carb-an., Carb-v., caust., chin., cic., cist., cit-v., con., dulc., graph., hep., iod., kali-c., kali-n., kreos., lyc., mag-m., Merc., Mur-ac., nat-m., nit-ac., nux-m., Nux-v., petr., ph-ac., phos., rhus-t., ruta., sabin., sep., sil., stann., Staph., sul-ac., sulph., zinc.
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I have two questions about this:

1) Do you claim that a supplement of vitamin C does not cure scurvy?

2) Do you claim that a homeopathic treatment can cure scurvy regardless of a continued vitamin C deficiency (in effect making the patient independent on vitamin C)?


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I don't know anything about scurvy, but I suspect that some cases were too advanced for Vit. C saved by homeopathy.

I don't recall reading any cases, so it would be totally speculative for me to speak about this.

Just making the point that we cured it.

Moreover, I don't know when Vit. C came along.

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My assumption is that homeopathy in higher potencies can not supplement that deficient nutrient/substance but can stimulate the body system to supplement a deficiency.
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Albert:
I don't know when Vitamin C was identified and isolated, but its effects in scurvy were known when James Cook (1728-1779) embarged on his expeditions. He ordered his crew to eat a lemon a day and consequently could make long voyages without a single case of scurvy.

Since you know nothing about it and know of no cases, how can you conclude that "we can cure it"?

Kayveeh:
Do you mean that the patient starts to produce his own vitamin C? Carnivorous animals do in fact have this capability.

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Mr.Hans,

While anyone is taking normal balanced food & his system is working properly, his body should be able to produce all the required substances for the proper working of body. If he is taking normal balanced food but his system is not working properly then the need for homeopathic or other therapy's medicine is required which should be able to correct or compensate all the required substances whether it is Vit.C or any other nutrient.
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While anyone is taking normal balanced food

On a normal balanced diet a person does not get scurvy. Only on a Vitamin C deficient diet. If the disease is not too far advanced, returning to a balanced diet will cure the scurvy, without special vitamen C supplement.

& his system is working properly, his body should be able to produce all the required substances for the proper working of body.

No it is not. We depend on a number of substances from our diet. Humans, being originally herbivores, do not produce vitamin C in our bodies, we get through our diet.

If he is taking normal balanced food but his system is not working properly then the need for homeopathic or other therapy's medicine is required which should be able to correct or compensate all the required substances whether it is Vit.C or any other nutrient.

Now you are talking replacement therapies. But that is something different. If we loose the ability to produce a substance we normally produce, the options are: Therapy for recovery of the ability (if possible), or replacement therapy.
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No, he's not talking about replacement therapies.

He's in this instance referring to the imporper assimilation of nutrients.

My point with this posting was to show you that we have cured scurvy too.

More than that I cannot say since I have never seen a case report of scurvy and certainly have never seen a case myself.

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how can you conclude that "we can cure it"?
It's part of the protocol of the repertory that an entry in plain type requires at least three cured cases for each symptom or disease.

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Mr.Hans,

Even if a persons takes a normal balanced diet but his system is not working properly then also he can get any disease.

My line(While anyone is taking normal balanced food & his system is working properly) is to be read as one sentence as both are dependent on each other.

When I said (the need for homeopathic or other therapy's medicine) it means other therapy equivilant to homeopathic as Mr.Albert has pointed out correctly. Even though it is not equal, it is not a relevant awnser.

Furthur, you just corelate the supplement or replacement with my Insulin Resistance concept. It may not be always necessary that supplement always will help. There can be some other underlying causes which are to be corrected first to get(if necessary) the real benefits of supplements. I have seen person taking Iron supplements since one year but are least benefited.

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Hans,

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I don't know when Vitamin C was identified and isolated, but its effects in scurvy were known when James Cook (1728-1779) embarged on his expeditions. He ordered his crew to eat a lemon a day and consequently could make long voyages without a single case of scurvy.
LEMONS or LIMES. "Limey" has been slang for an Englishman 'til this day.

Albert:My point with this posting was to show you that we have cured scurvy too.

Cured a vitamin deficiency. Remarkable.

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