Can homeopathy be used to treat the snake bites or other poisnous animals/insects stings and bites. If yes, which are the proven remedies.

Modern anti-venoms are guaranteed to save a life under most conditions. In our clinic, free anti-venom treatment was offered to any victim and it had a success rate of over 98%. It was said that anyone who walks in alive and not-fainted, will walk out alive.

If blueishness of skin and delirium has set in, then the victim is sure to die.

FYI, there are basically two types of poisons of animals, those which attack the neural/nervous system (really deadly, e.g. cobra) and the non-nervous type.

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In the response of your first part "NO"

In the response of second part "is that treatment suppressive? "

P.S: This is my observation that when a real family member of a renowned homeopath got sick. He immediatly took his sister to nearest hospital. When I said why don't you not tried homeopathy? He said I am not mental. Homeopathic medicines are for patients and not for family members. I don't want to take risk.

Well I would give a homeopathic Rx on the way to the hospital to patients or family!!

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There are many, many remedies which produce the bluish markings (from internal hemorrhage on a massive scale, resulting from things like snake bite) as well as the coronary deficiency and shut down that you describe. These symptoms also appear in forms of congestive heart failure (which is chronic, so symptoms develop more slowly) as well as in diseases such as Ebola.

Any remedy which produces these symptoms will cure them. Again, case taking skills must still be used and near specifics can work if the patient actually needs the specified remedy (ie the case matches).

Boericke mentions several snake poison antidotes (keep in mind all his writings are based on verified clinical data) which were potentized and used as remedies. Ammonium Carbonicum, whose chemical structure is very similar to snake venom from the Lachesis mutus snake.

Also, if used very soon after toxin exposure, some snake remedies may actually have an effect--but this is not "like cures like", just "equal cures equal"...and that isn't homeopathy...just a very close principal can than sometimes work.

Incidentally, when I was studying snake remedies, I made it a point to work closely with people who work with snakes--eg wildlife biologists (I've also worked with many wildlife biologists while compiling research and numerous animals both endangered and native to different areas of the province where I live). Many people who handle and catch cobras and corals are often bitten by these animals and survive. Some are bitten repeatedly in their work. All say it is possible to survive even without anti-venin (which is incredibly expensive and therefore only used as a last resort). The old cut and draw method still works well...but, again, every case is different.

But I'd take my remedies any day. If they didn't work all the way, at least I'd be out of danger. After all, anti-venin doesn't work quickly enough to stop the massive hemorrhaging and cardiac arrest that some snakes can cause with their venom (eg elaps corallinus, bothrops varieties). Here is where I know our remedies would be much more effective if good casetaking skills could be put to use.

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What I was referring to was an average person being bitten by the cobra, those who are in the profession of dealing with snakes, usually develop the immunity after having been bitten several times, so we can't use that as a proof that you can survive a cobra's bite without anti-venonm.

Regarding remedies and Boericke, that's my question, in real life threatening situations where seconds count, would you be willing to second guess if the remedy you chose was correct or simply adopt the known and guaranteed route of anti-venom.

Recent research (which includes Royal Air Force, if I remember correctly) has concluded that the cut&suck the poison out approach doesn't help and have removed it from their survival manuals.

The part which I find amusing under such circumstances is that the victim would be dying and turning blue and a homeopath would be trying to establish if the victim wants open air or closed room, and shaking the patient to reply if the pain is shooting in nature or burning, if his toungue is coated or not and since his tongue was not coated so the remedy xxx chosen for the snake bite didn't work and he died

Anyway, I think now I know my choice with certainty.

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Well, FF, if you think a homeopath can't tell the difference between assessing the case in an acute presentation and assessing a case of chronic disease, well, what can I say. If a homeopath can't do it, well, then NO doctor can.

Simple powers of observation will reveal: massive discoloration from hemorrhage, severe shortness of breath, great pain, maybe paralysis, a puncture wound. Among other symptoms, which may not be completely important at this time (like, for example, asking the patient if they like the window open, which I hoped I wouldn't have had to STATE is irrelevant to the case taking at hand). Asking the patient may bring: "I've been bitten by a crotalus (or whatever kind of) snake". Or, the patient may simply be muttering constantly and won't be able to answer your questions. Or, the patient may be unconscious. (If the patient's still walking in, it was bitten by a snake whose poison works through the circulatory system. Those bites are far more easy to survive without ant-venin, and can actually be treated by "cut and suck" and keeping the patient still. That's just an aside).

There. You have your whole case--and this goes not only for homeopaths, but for EVERY ONE who would prescribe ANYTHING. After that, the least amount of training as a homeopath will allow you to zero in on some good remedies to use.

If you hit the similimum--bingo: life saved instantly. If you hit a "close enough-icum", that's great too. Life saved, without anti-venin, but possibly with a few days recuperation.
You may have to give some other remedies. But you'll have plenty of time to decide which ones, cause the patient will be alive.

I think the thing you missed is that anti-venin is not useful in all snake bites. It is useless, for example, in bites from snakes whose poison affects the nervous system. So your statement:

Really doesn't say anything concrete (that missing, dead 2%; and what about the "fainted" patients--are they down because breathing has stopped? Is there massive hemorrhage? If so, anti-venin will be useless). I also have a bit of a hard time believing anti-venin is offered free of charge; a vial of it here in Toronto can cost over $700, and it often takes several vials to "treat" one snake bite. Now, we don't have a lot of cobras in Canada, but we do have the Mississauga Rattle snake, whose venom actually attacks the nervous system. Anti-venin really has little effect there, and its application is usually done with other "heroic" lifesaving measures. No guarantee about anti-venin life saving is ever made where I live.
Also, its not always on hand--has to be ordered and made up as needed because of its expense. So so much for relying on that.

I think its pretty clear, FF, that you like to come to your conclusions about homeopathy without knowing anything much at all about it. I guess that suits your purposes.

Incidentally, do you even know what Anti-venin consists of? Its actually just a crude form of Isopathy, which we know isn't as effective or as reliable as homeopathy.

You use your stuff. I'll use mine, thanks.

[ 15. October 2003, 12:15: Message edited by: ChaChaHeels ]

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I wouldn't want to lock horns with you on this issue.

Our company did offer free treatment to snake bite victims and yes I know its expensive and the logic of it is not easily understood by most of us living in societies driven by money. Our company knew the snakes types in that area and had the vaccines ready for most of them. The price is not $700, it was more like $150-200.

Regarding my understanding about homeopathy, you are correct. My conclusions are based on what I know, don't we all do that?

Disagreements aside, lets make something good come out of this post, what are the remedies in the conditions/symptoms that you have specified above that are the outcome of a snake bite and in what potencies can they be used successfully. Any personal account or authentic details would be welcome.

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FF, I have a hard time making much good out of your posts BECAUSE you make a habit of discrediting anything anyone puts here "because they are homeopaths". You make assumptions which are based on these half-truths and then you propagate your assumptions as fact. They are always condemning and insulting--such as your crazy assumption that someone would be careless enough to concern themselves with whether or not a patient's preference for a fan is important while the patient nearly dies. What are you thinking? I think this nasty tendency has been pointed out to you before.

You're quite right about locking horns with me on this one. I've been studying snakes since I was a little girl--from tiny non-venomous ones to the very frightening, intensely poisonous ones. When I conducted environmental research for a living, I had the great opportunity to meet up with and learn from scientists whose specific knowledge in this area is vast. This was long before I knew anything about homeopathy. When I decided to study homeopathy, I was more than thrilled to learn about how many remedies were made from snake poisons, and how useful and lifesaving and life-giving snakes and their "poisons" actually are.

I think what you need to accept, FF, is that it really does take a complete paradigm shift to understand homeopathy--and you can't put it to use properly if you can't understand it. "Getting" homeopathy is akin to what someone would have felt hundreds of years ago when they finally realized that "hey, the earth actually revolves around the sun--and not the other way around". Do you understand how their understanding of absolutely everything in their lives would be different, after that fundamental realisation?

The big paradigmatic difference in homeopathy is not in the remedies--what would you use here and there, why is it necessary to take a case at all, why can't you just give a drug and be done just like real doctors...blah blah blah...
It's in the basic understanding of health and disease. If you understand that everything in the universe is energy--and I mean absolutely everything--then you're off to a good start. When you can see that, fittingly, the human body is just energy; and that disease must also, then, be energy in order to have an effect on the human body, then the groundwork is set for understanding homeopathy. This is a vitalist paradigm on which we base our science, not a materialist one. That makes all the difference.

We don't understand disease the same way allopaths do. We don't agree that it is what allopaths conclude it to be. If you can understand that basic concept of disease in homeopathy, then you can use homeopathy effectively--because it actually fits the reality much better than the allopathic understanding.

If you can't understand that basic paradigmatic difference--and don't worry if you can't, because many people just "don't get it" either, despite trying to study homeopathy--then you will never understand how homeopathy works or how to make it work for you and your patients. Simple as that.
There is no shame in not being able to comprehend something. But there is lots of shame in pretending to understand it, then rearing up and insulting those who do when your understanding fails.

As an answer to your question, homeopaths are prolific writers and they keep copious notes. There are literally thousands of case-notes in publication, many on the internet now with search engines. We have a literary history spanning 200 years of documentation and clinical information. Why don't you do what we did when we set out to learn: look up stuff from the past. It's all there. Boericke's a good place to start.

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I tried my best to get something good out of this post and shy away from any confrontation, but upon your insistence, first here is my evaluation of you, as a person and as a homeopath. Then we can discuss about the paradigm shift from mass to energy or vice versa.

As a homeopath, either you have been up against allopaths all your life trying to defend homeopathy or there has been some nasty incident in your past which makes you keep your guns cocked all the time and start with the basic assumption that everyone questioning you or homeopathy is out to insult you or homeopathy.

You keep avoiding direct questions either because you don't know or you feel that if you answer them, you are following the directions of someone. You have serious problem with authority. You feel threatened all the time.

I am truly amazed at how you react when you presume that your turf is being invaded when actually the visitor might be a friend. I guess its all based on what lies in the past.

Either as a girl, you have been up against boys, trying to prove your worth in a "man's world" or something of that kind of a dilemma.

A lot of your posts have the word insult in them, whether they were in response to me or someone else. Try doing that search in the threads and you would be amazed at what you find. I have been trying hard not to write all this, but seems that truth must come out.

You can't make a believer out of me without logic and proof because to do that you have to be divine not divina.

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and after that you will give credit to homeopathy in your cancer seminar.