Members,

Proving can be done on raw/crude remedy substances,lower potencies or higher potencies. In case of Inert or Toxic substances, proving can be done on potentized remedies only unless judged by previous observations or accidental ingestion of these substances in crude forms.


However, what is the opinion of members that which potency/potencies can be best suited for their best proving other than the raw remedy provings to judge the causes and cure of any remedy.

[ 27. September 2003, 05:02: Message edited by: kayveeh ]

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WHAT A GOOD QUESTION... I MUST SAY THAT FEW PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD REALLY CHANGED THE ATMOSPHERE OF THIS BB. PEOPLE HAVE NOW STARTED THINKING AND THEY BOLDLY ASKING THE QUESTIONS WHICH THEY WERE NOT ASKING AS THEY WERE IN THE OPINION THAT THEIR STATUS MAY SUFFER IF THEY WILL OBJECT ON HOMEOPATHIC RULES.... I DON'T KNOW WHO IS KIWI BUT BELIEVE ME ON 26TH OF SEPTEMBER 2003, THE SAME QUESTION WAS ASKED BY A PARTICIPANT OF THE SEMINAR AT MIRPUR KASHMIR. SOME 25 MEMBERS WHO ARE REGISTERED ON THIS BOARD WERE ALSO PRESENT THERE. THEY CAME FROM DIFFERENT CITIES AND ATTENDED THE SEMINAR. THE TOPIC OF THE SEMINAR WAS "REHABLITATION AND HOMEOPATHIC ROLE". THIS SEMINAR WAS ORGANIZED BY ASIAN HOMEOPATHIC MEDICAL LEAGUE OF PAKISTAN WING. ASIAN HOMEOPATHIC MEDICAL LEAGUE IS REGISTERED IN 27 COUNTRIES. TWENTY FIVE MEMBERS DELEGATE OF HOMEOPAHTIC DOCTORS WILL ATTEND AHML SEMINAR SOON WHICH IS GOING TO BE HELD IN INDIA.

ON YOUR SAME QUESTION THE RESOURCE PERSON REPLIED "THIS IS HIT AND TRY METHOD. FIRST WE HAVE TO START FROM THE HIGHER POTENCY IN CASE OF POISONOUS REMEDIES E.G. IF YOU WANT TO PROVE LACH THEN SUITABLE REMEDY WOULD BE 200 JUST TO SEE THE RESPONSE OF 200 POTENCY IN HEALTHY PERSON.. IF YOU DON'T GET ANY RESPONSE AFTER FEW REPITATION THEN SELECT ANOTHER POTENCY UNTIL YOU GET SUITABLE RESPONSE"

JUST LIKE DR. ISRAR UL HAQUE FROM HASSAN ABDAL CITY (THE TRANSLATOR OF GEORGE VITHOULKAS BOOK "THE SCIENCE OF HOMEOPATHY" IN URDU) SAID IN THE SEMINAR THAT X-RAY CAN BE PROVED IN 30 POTENCY. HE SAID ONE DAY HE TOOK ONLY ONE DOSE OF X-RAY FOR CHECKING THE RESPONSE ON HIMSELF. HE SAID AFTER 8 HOURS OF INTERVAL HE DEVELOPED ULCER ON LIPS CORNER AND AFTER 11 HOURS HIS TONGUE GOT INFLAMMED. HE EXPERIMENTED ON 7 HEALTHY PERSON, ONE THE PROMINENT SYMPTOM WAS ANAL PROLAPSE. HE GOT NEARBY SAME RESULT. HE SAID THE SYMPOTMS ARE NOT WRITTEN IN X-RAY PROVING...

HE SAID LATER ON HE EXPERIMENTED WITH X-RAY 30 ON ANAL PROLAPSE PATIENT AND GOT 80-90% CURABLE RATE.

[ 27. September 2003, 21:44: Message edited by: Arshad ]

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Prof Dr. Arshad Sheikh, M.Sc, DHMS, RHMP
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Visiting Prof, Tahir Homeopathic Medical College.

Prof Dr. Arshad,
Best regards!

Thanks for informations. Actually, I feel we ingest most of the subsances(similars,inert or toxic) to which we are naturally exposed in some lower or higher quantity or potency and that quantity or potency can be the best indication for finding the crude/potency to be used to do the ' BEST PROVING FOR CAUSE '. I also think we are also exposed and ingesting these substances in higher potencies which serve purpose of CURE and if we can judge those potencies than these can be treated for finding ' BEST PROVING FOR CURE '.
Eg; when some one take food by using his hand(not spoon) or when he chew a lot, he gets food in just raw form to serve the CAUSE and he may also ingest some potentized minerals through the skin of his hand or across the mucus membrane of his mouth to serve the CURE. It can also be true in river baths or Holy Dips.

It is bit dificult & differant subject but can be good words.

[ 28. September 2003, 04:21: Message edited by: kayveeh ]

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MEMBERS,

I want to ask one qouestion i.e.:-

WHAT CAN BE THE BEST PROOF OF ANY PROVING ?

Can you please tell me??

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No Proof!

KV don't try to show our faces in the mirror otherwise many more will leave this forum.

Today I have time. I read many mails. If you go around on this bb then you will observe many conflicting remarks.

One said "You can prepare x-ray potency by exposing alcohol with X-Ray beam"

Other said "one dose of x-ray in 30 on healthy individual can produce symptom"

Another Said "I did not observe any change on medicinal effect when my homeopathic medicines were passed through x-rays at airport terminal"

if you do not believe then spare some time and read the remarks of renowned doctors in coffee shop and gen discussion column

[ 01. October 2003, 09:29: Message edited by: H/ Dr. Inam Mirza ]

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Ministry of Heatlh, Govt of Pakistan

Dear Dr.Inam,

Thanks for the 'ALERT'.
In the first quote I mean that VIBRATIONS in additions to X Rays can also create effects.

In the 2nd quote I have given one point being LEFT by Mr.David while giving lot of drug picture mentioned in LOTUS MM. Some more can be added means some more durg picture's point are also there in this MM.

I think I made it bit clear.

By the way I must agree that you have X-RAY EYES.

Best regards.

[ 01. October 2003, 09:53: Message edited by: kayveeh ]

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BUT THERE SHOULD/CAN BE SOME PROOF OF PROVING OTHERWISE ?????

PEOPLE SHOULD FIND THAT I AM ATTRACTING NOT REPELLING. BASIC UNDERSTANDING NOT MISUNDERSTANDING.

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A double-blind placebo-controlled test. Preferably on an objectively measurable symptom.

Hans

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Finish reading the Organon of Medicine and you will see why a double blind placebo controlled test won't work for testing homeopathy. Only a rational approach will work. Not empirical. There is a huge difference. If you don't understand, then brush up on the history of medicine.. Harris Coulter's books; Divided Legacy (4 vols of heavy reading) are a good place to start.
Regards,
Lisa Annan

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Oh, I have READ the OoM, I just have not finished writing my review. I seen no reason, based on the OoM why a DBPC test should not be effective, espcially for proving. It is certainly a rational method.

Testing homepathic therapeutic efficiency using DBPC is a bit more tricky, because the homeopathic definition of disease is so different from that of conventional medicine.

Hans

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