I gave a dog 1 drop of arnica 30D on his gum and the dog died 5 minutes later. The dog was bitten the day before, got treated by an excellent veterinary. The wound was at the right lower abdomen, and he got cephoral. at night the dog started to vomit and kept vomiting all the time since. Then sometime he got a pramine injection, after which I gave the arnica. The man thinks that with this I killed the dog. I am confused and ask you what do you think that happened.

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My first question is, why did you give Arnica?

After so much aggressive allopathic intervention, I doubt the arnica could do much at all.

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Thank you for your response, dear cha-cha-heels. the dog was in a very bad shape, very weak, breathing extremely quickly and deep and i thought arnica could get him out of the shock.

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Sounds very bad...perhaps so much had already happened that it was too late for arnica.

It's not a bad remedy for shock, but I would have also considered others in a case like this:

aconite
lyssinum
ledum

just for examples. Sounds like the wounds may have perforated deep organs or caused a deep infection to take place. I truly don't think the arnica would have any much effect after such heroic and ineffective measures were made by the vet. 30D is a very low potency too. My guess is that the arnica simply didn't match the intensity and pathology level of the case...so how could it have done very much?

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Hi Shoshy!
I assume there was punture involved and given what you described I would be suspicious that the wound was more serious than they thought. I know that my 2 males got into it one day when someone else was looking after them. When I got him I took the dog into emergency for suturing. It wasn't until he was on the table that we realized the extent of his injuries. Long story short, $700 beans later he was x-rayed, stitched up and a drainage tube set in place. Abdominal injuries in animals can be very grave indeed, we once had a kitten in fostercare who suffered a dog bite to the abdomin, the caretakers were unaware that severe injury had actually occured (no gapping wound evident) and she was found dead a few hours later with her intestines on the floor. If the owner of the dog you mention wants to put his money where his mouth is, he should have the dog opened up; I'm sure there will be an obvious cause to its demise quite evident. Not knowing the full facts, I wonder why after the dog began to vomit that more was not done, I can only assume the the vet might have assumed the nausea was due to the antibiotics rather than a more serious cause. The punture could easily have penitrated the muscle causing a hernia, nevermind injury of any internal organ. Another possiblity is a reaction to the allopathic medications. The cepha drugs can be known to cause complications from allergic reaction-CNS-GI complications. They are also not easy meds to combine in use with others. Persistant vomitting especially after one or 2 doses, in my opinion should have warrented more of a reaction. I am not familiar with pramine, so a search informed me that the active ingrediant imipramine is used to treat depression? Not sure how this fits in and wonder about drug interactions.

Shoshy, I am very sorry you had such an experience. I do know how you feel as the same has happened to me. A couple of years ago I was called out on an "emergency" by a self-proclaimed "rehabber" who had a young male squirrel in terrible agony. He was crying, cringing and writhing in pain. You know.....I have no idea how long that little guy was suffering before I arrived (could have been that way a long time because these folks were real novices) and had no data to work on, other than a raised up knot-like muscle mass on his back along the spine, so I gave Arnica as a first step. That poor soul relaxed in my hand, took a very deep breath and let go of his life. Serenely and very quickly.

I was absolutely devastated. The "caregivers" thought I was a murderer. I thought I was a murderer. It was one of many times I've questioned homeopathy.

I posted or emailed Geir Marcussen, asking his opinion. He said he thought there was a possibility that the squirrel was in such pain, thus producing endorphins ( I hope I remember this correctly, is that the right word?) that were keeping him alive. When he was given Arnica, the relief of that terrible pain allowed him to die, swiftly and quietly. It was his cure.

I never knew if that was true or not but did take some solace with that information. I make many, many mistakes, do many things that are obviously wrong (after the fact, I know how wrong) but in treating animals, who have a bit of a limitation in being able to tell us how they feel, I do, as do you and all who try to help them, the very best we can, within our ability to do.

I think it very likely that your small dose of Arnica allowed that poor suffering dog the ease needed to end his pain. As hard as it may be for you and the dog's caregivers to accept, you likely did the kindest thing for him.

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Dear Divina, Kkrista and Gpm, I want to thank you for your sharing and thoughts. This forum always was of interest for me, but today you revieled a so much more to it, that it warmed my heart. For this I want to thank you. Led. I planned for the next remedy after Arn. The dog had a nother appointment with the veterinary some hours later, because the vet comes from far away. The sad event with the squirrel reminds my case very much and I felt much the same as you, Gpm. I think GM's explaining is relevant and I accept it. The man to whom the dog belonged is a fine and sensitive person, he burried the dog that he loved so much, so there will not be any further examinig, which means that the possibility of deaper injury remains.

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gpm,

You said this: "I posted or emailed Geir Marcussen, asking his opinion. He said he thought there was a possibility that the squirrel was in such pain, thus producing endorphins ( I hope I remember this correctly, is that the right word?) that were keeping him alive. When he was given Arnica, the relief of that terrible pain allowed him to die, swiftly and quietly. It was his cure."

FASCINATING!

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Interesting postings all too.

My initial reaction was that the allopathic vet killed him, but these posts better cover such a generalization and supposition, and the interpretaion of gpm's friend sounds very interesting.

I have never considered that; thank him for me, please.

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Dear Shoshy,

I don't want to belabor this thread and cause you more pain but I have worried all day (this was the first chance to get to the BB) that I said endorphins when the term perhaps should have been adrenaline.

I would also like to make clear that it isn't homeopathy I question when these kinds of things happen....it's my use of it. I firmly believe homeopathy has the ability to be absolutely curative, it's just finding the correct remedy in the correct potency and frequency of use that presents the problem, for me.

Thinking about your predicament all day, knowing how you feel.

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My mind warns me from using homeopathy, the way I did. Till I find a new way, that does not cause death of my patient i will have to take time out. I will still continue to study homeopathy and participate on this forum. Thank you all for your empathic answers.

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