Austin said: if someone has a reaction to a vaccine, it's a good sign.

The problem is, the "channel out" has been closed!
No exit! Let me explain. Usually, the way in, is the same road out. A germ enters through the nose, the immune system causes a runny nose to wash the intruder out. In vaccination, the way out is sealed! This would never happen in nature (except for a puncture wound). This is a totally unnatural way to expose a child to infection for the purpose of developing immunity. Also, having 5 diseases in the blood stream at one time would never happen in nature! This whole process is extremely ghoulish and unnatural, to say the least, and to think that ANYTHING good could ever come of this is to be totally uninformed--and unfortunately, most people are.

In the mid '90's, there was a headline in the Sunday paper here that shocked me cuz it said in effect that the only way you can get polio now is to be vaccinated! (according to the Center for Disease Control.) This is a shocking statement! It means there are people who are vaccinating their children to protect them from children who have been vaccinated! Is this insane? By the way, we have remedies for Polio. Gelsemium and Lathyrus are the main two.

Snoopy

Saracat:

You may want to read the page 2 and 3 of this BB for "Signs of a good homeopath" where the problems and solution to some vaccination problems is discussed.

Regards.

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Vaccinations and their side effects

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Th. Quak. Translated by Christian Kurz and Hans Weitbrecht

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Much has been, and still is, reported on complications following vaccinations. Among others, the literature describes the following (rare) Vaccination Induced Side Effects (VISE) of the MMR and polio vaccinations: Local erythemas (inflammation of the skin), Fever, Irritability, Tiredness, General rashes (acute urticaria), Conjunctivitis, Arthropathies (Arthritis like Symptoms), Peripheral tremor, Cough and/or coryza, Post-vaccine meningitis (aseptic meningitis), Guillain-Barre syndrome, Brachial neuritis (Pain of the nerves of the underarm), Anaphylactic shock (sudden collapse, live threatening), Multiple sclerosis, Chronic arthritis.

Most feared are lasting damages like the consequences of a post-vaccine meningitis and life threatening diseases like anaphylactic shock. The short lasting smaller side effects are usually interpreted as the normal reaction of the immune system to the attenuated disease (i.e. the vaccine) and therefore regarded as harmless. Since, according to available statistical data, the "side-effects" of the real diseases are much more frequent than those of the vaccination, the following conclusion is commonly drawn: vaccinations prevent more damage than they cause and are therefore of considerable benefit to society.

Side-effects of vaccinations
Legally, only symptoms, which appear within a certain well-defined time (normally a few days or weeks) after the vaccination, and thereby suggest a causal link to it, are considered to be side effects of the vaccination (VISE). Symptoms that develop slowly or only after considerable time are difficult to link to the vaccination because of the multitude of other environmental influences to which the patient is exposed in this period. Since data on these delayed effects are difficult or impossible to treat in a statistically meaningful way, these side-effects are not recognized as caused by the vaccination: up to the year 1991 "only" 1870 patients in Germany filed claims based on VISE under the BSeuchG [21] (German bill for the prevention of the spreading of infectious desease). According to Buchwald [31], until 1992 3407 cases of VISE have been legally confirmed in Germany. This corresponds to a prevalence of 4.3 per 100,000 .. For the population of Germany this translates into about 170 confirmed VISE per year. The number of filed claims is of course much higher.

Gathering data on long term VISE requires very expensive and labour intensive observations over long time periods. Those would only be useful, however, if comparable groups of vaccinated and unvaccinated subjects were available for long term study. Many ethical and forensic problems arise at this point. Furthermore, it is difficult to find a sufficient number of unvaccinated people. There are no comparative long term studies on vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.

An important question in the assessment of how frequently VISE occur has to do with how much attention is given to the observation of VISE and how frequently side-effects are brought in connection with vaccination in general. The editorial of the J. Med. Microbiol. [11] comments: "The rate of post-vicinal meningitis varies between studies and may be dependent on how hard the investigators try to uncover such cases." This comment was made with respect to a study on the MMR vaccination in the United Kingdom. In this study the authors show that the risk of aseptic meningitis is not, as previously thought, between 0.4 and 10 per million, but rather between 100 and 11000 per million[16]. During mass-vaccinations this leads to a shockingly high number of complications [32], since in this case everybody, without exception, comes into contact with the (attenuated) virus; not just a part of the population as with the naturally occurring disease.

Between the introduction of the MMR vaccination in the UK in 1988 with the so-called Urabe-Mumps-Strain (sold under the brand names Pluserix and Rimparix in Germany before they were removed from the market in 1992) until the realization of the high risk involved, several years elapsed until this strain was replaced by a different one (Jeryl Lynn) in 1992. It is generally assumed that this strain does not, or not as frequently, lead to aseptic meningits, even though cases of menigitis have already been reported for this particular vaccine [26].

Vaccines
The fact that there even exist different strains of the vaccine has to do with the way they are produced. All vaccines in use today contain live, attenuated viruses (as do measles, polio, rubella, influenza, yellow-fever, varicella).

The "transmutation" (attenuation) of a virulent wild strain into a vaccine is today still an empirical process. The virus is subject to several passages in various cell cultures under non-optimal growth conditions. Through this process the virus changes its specific properties, remains however a "live" virus. The mechanism involved in this attenuation is not known in any detail. Following that, a few safety investigations are made and the reactivity and efficacy is tested on laboratory animals and volunteers.

This process has not changed in essence since the early experiments with vaccines during Pasteur's time. Pasteur, for example, developed a rabies vaccine [52] by cultivating the virus in rabbits and "attenuating" it through variable length exposures to air. It was this method that made Pasteur famous as well as infamous since many people died from rabies caused by the vaccination itself [57].

In the case of cowpox vaccination, which has been abandoned in our latitudes, the origin of the virus contained in the vaccine is not even known. The original vaccine from cowpox used to be transferred from child to child because there was no way of conserving it. Re-cultivation on cows was only successfully accomplished after several decades. In the meantime, attenuation of the vaccine had been achieved in thousands of human bodies -- a very dangerous process indeed, since not only the cowpox virus was transmitted but also all other infectious diseases of the person. "This vaccine is molucular-biologically different from the variola virus as well as the cowpox virus." [58]

Nowadays there are different vaccines, according to manufacturing processes, put on the market by various companies, all with differing properties. However, the molecular basis of the active principle is in most cases still unknown. The natural virus is indistinguishable from the attenuated virus by serological methods. The Urabe mumps virus and the Jeryl mumps virus are identical on that basis. Only through the modern technique of gene sequencing has it recently become possible to identify several differences among the vaccines. It is, however, still unknown why one strain is more reactive than the other. Also unknown is how these genetic differences come about during the process of attenuation. After all, the injection of a live, attenuated virus is a process involving many unknowns and immeasurables, which are taken on faith due to the obvious success and favorable risk/benefit ratio in fighting the so-called mass epidemics.

Reaction of the Immune System
It is important to realize that the reaction of the immune system to the injected vaccine is only known partially: "It has been observed frequently that antibody levels do not go hand in hand with immunity to the disease... The investigation of the second branch of immunity, the cell mitigated immune response, has been technically much more difficult and turned out to be very complex ... There exists now a large number of experimental data and insights into the different mechanisms of the cell mitigated immune response including their interactions among each other and with the humoral immune system. Despite that fact, we have only fragmentary knowledge about the concrete role of the cell mitigated immune response to an infection by isolated pathogenes in the human body." [58, p270].

These statements are very important:

1. The potentially disease-provoking properties of a vaccine are unknown (the structure of the genome is not known).

2. The reaction of the immune system to the injected vaccine is not known in any detail.

3. The interaction of the altered state of the immune system after the vaccination with other variables is unknown.

We don't know which long-term consequences may arise from this, because studies focus predominantly on short-term reactions to the vaccination. There are, however, indications of long-term side-effects of the immunization.

Long-term Consequences
The occurrence of arthralgias has been documented since the first studies about the rubella vaccination [1-10]. Based on these studies the Institute of Medicine states: "The committee concludes that a causal connection exists between the RA 27/3 rubella vaccination strain and incidents of chronic arthritis in women." "Thompson et al. reprorts in 1973 on 11 children with recurrent arthritis which lasted at least for 36 months after vaccination with HPV 77; other cases of potential arthritis have since then reported, some with the RA 27/3 strain." [12].

Arthralgias and arthritic affections occur frequently in connection with diseases for which auto-immune reactions are responsible. Examples are Lupus erythematodes, sclerodermia, Sharp-syndrome, polymyositis [23], or rheumatoid arthritis. It would be advisable to study the connection between activation of the immune system and auto-immune diseases, since the number of diseases in this class is large and grows steadily with our increase in knowledge of their pathophysiology:

Thyreoiditis Hashimoto. Primary myxedema. Pernicious anemia. Auto-immune atrophic gastritis. Morbus Addison. Premature menopause. Goodpasture syndrome. Myasthenia gravis. Sterility in men. Pemphigus vulgaris. Sympathic ophtalmias. Multiple sclerosis. Auto-immune hemolytic anemia. Primary biliary cirrhosis. Uclerative colitis. Sjogren syndrome, etc.

We know that immunizations can lead to a deterioration in existing auto-immune diseases [23]. The symptoms which the body exhibits in these cases because of its specific predisposition, are an indication of a weakness in the regulatory system and are usually overlooked in the "still" healthy person, yet probably present nonetheless (Coulter refers to these cases as "cracked eggs"). "It is generally advisable to abstain from active immunization with live vaccines in the cases of patients with auto-immune diseases or chronic inflammatory processes and vaccinate only in special circumstances and in the presence of strong indications." [23] Further:

"It is not aberrant to assume that immunizations, being a considerable interference with the regulation of the immunulogic network, can influence the progression of vasculitic illnesses." 23]

Even direct side effects are known: "Ten of 1000,000 vaccinated Americans developed auto-immune post-vaccinal encephalitis or peripheral neuritis (Guillain-Barre syndrome) one or two weeks after immunization with attenuated influenca vaccine." [64].

However, it has been difficult to proove that immunizations are actively involved in the emergence of auto-immune diseases, because these illnesses develop after a considerable latency period. Furthermore, studies, in particular if they are supposed to be predictive, are very involved and have not been carried out so far.

Patho-Mechanism
It is the right time to launch these important studies, since a patho-mechanism which might be involved in causing such auto-immune diseases has been known for a long time: the cross-reaction between foreign pathogenes (or vaccines), and body chemistry and tissues, so-called molecular mimicri [59]. One can imagine such a relationship between body tissues and foreign matter on three planes: [58]:

"1. Between two types of cells, tissues, or micro organisms (e.g., bacteria or viruses), if they use a similar or identical kind of molecule in their structure.

2. Between two antigen molecules if , on their surface, they have besides different also identical determinants.

3. Between two determinants, if they are sufficiently similar to react with the same antibody. In this case the group homologue to the antibody will react strongly while the differently configured determinante will yield a weaker reaction."

All these possibilities apply to vaccines or their constituents. If one introduces antigenes into the body (e.g., through vaccination) which have similar structural groups as some body tissue, even if the similarity is only partial, the production of antibodies in the sense of an auto-immune reaction is possible. A well known medical example for this process is the cross reactivity between poly-sacchardies of the cell membrane of beta-hemolytic streptococci and the human cortical valve during rheumatic fever. In this case, damage to the valve can occur by means of antibody production.

One may remark that the natural infections can trigger auto-immune reactions, too. However, it needs to be pointed out that the vaccination induced infection differs from the natural one in three important ways, and therefore posesses a different antigen makeup from the latter:

1. The pathway of infection is different from the natural disease (i.e., direct confrontation with the antigene by intramuscular injection).

2. The time of infection is determined by the time of vaccination (e.g., all children in the third month), not by the susceptibility of the body or the "random" contact with the virus (readyness of the immune system).

3. The vaccine is an artificial product with additives which modify the action of the pathogen (modified antigen makeup).

For these reasons, vaccination and natural disease are difficult to compare with respect to their risk potential. Both harbor their own risks.

One other point should not be neglected: it is possible to develop tolerance to certein antigenes, the exact opposite of what has been described so far [27]. This principle is exploited by desensitation techniques used therapeutically against hayfever and allergic asthma: the patient is injected with small doses of the allergene (pollen, dust mites, etc.) in order to make them adapt to it.

In a similar manner, the body may develop a tolerance for things which it would normally eliminate due to their harmful nature. Along these lines one could imagine a weakening of the immune response against certain pathogenes, e.g., cancer cells:

"A derailment of the immune system may be responsible for the development of various tumors." [60] "Animal experiments have shown that the fetus, with its imature immune system, can develop a tolerance by exposing it to antigenes." [61] However, the exact time when the immune system has matured fully is unknown, and "other factors like age, genetic background, and nutritional status" [27] are also relevant to the induction of a tolerance. Furthermore, the exact mechanisms leading to a antigene tolerance are still mostly in the dark. Therefore, according to current understanding, there exists a possibility to develop a tolerance for surface antigenes of tumor cells induced by vaccines exhibiting a cross-reaction with tumor antigenes. As a consequence, tumor cells would not be effectively recognized by the immune system and hence also not fully eliminated.

Especially when one thinks about the DTP immunization, which is given in the third month, such reactions seem possible. We don't yet fully understand the highly sensitive interplay between fight and tolerance in our immune system. What consequences our interference from outside bears is impossible to predict. Further study is sorely needed in this area since we know of numerous other mechansims involved in the development of auto-immune diseases (e.g., formation of immune complexes after infection following vaccination [64], etc.).

Purity of Vaccines
Another important issue is the purity of the vaccine. As described above, several vaccines (MMR, polio) are produced by attenuation in living organisms or cell cultures (kidney cell cultures of monkeys). Despite the utmost cleanliness strived for, it is technologically impossible to exclude all possible risks of contamination entirely.

One such risk is, for example, the infestation of the sample by various viruses (slow virus, BSE, retro- viruses, onco-viruses, etc.) or mycoplasms, all of which are difficult or impossible to detect because of their specific properties. "Virus contaminated cell cultures are a significant problem of the bio-industry." [28] In addition, the latency period of diseases caused by these contaminants is suffiently long so that a causal connection is almost impossible to detect.

Live vaccines posess a higher risk of contamination with micro-organisms than other vaccines. Oncogenetic viruses are, for example, present in mammalian cell strains used in vaccine production. [64]

Live vaccines attenuated by conventional procedures are commonly carriers of unknown genetic modifications. Particularly when these modifications are only minor, like localized mutations, the danger of back mutation into a pathogenetic virus is possible. The difference, for example, between the Sabin strain and one of the virulent poliomyelitis strains is only the addition of one nucleotide. The mutation into neuro-virulent strains occurred with rabies vaccines and Sabin-polio strains (oral vaccination) of types 2 and 3 [64]. Another drawback of live vaccines lies in their possibility of complemenataion or recombination with closely related wild strains or vaccine strains. The likelyhood and possible consequences of this are wholly unknown.

Reference [64] poses important thoughts to the issue of vaccination risks.

Because vaccines are applied million-fold on entire populations, overlooked viral contaminations, back mutations, new mutations of the attenuated vaccine, or insufficient attenuation of the pathogene may have dramatic consequences for a large number of people. [30] Big immunizarion accidents happen not infrequently. Here are a few examples taken from the history of medicine: 102 people contracted encephalitis and 17 died 1944 in Brazzaville due to a yellow fever vaccination. A yellow fever vaccination contaminated with hepatitis virus was conducted in the US in 1942. The consequence was 28585 cases of hepatitis and 62 deaths. In 1955, the so-called Cutter incidence: 250 cases of polio and 10 deaths, due to active pathogenes in the vaccine. 1960 in Berlin, within four weeks there were 25 cases of paralytic poliomyelitis reported, after using an insuffieciently attenuated vaccine. [56] Finally, 1988-92 the increase in encephalitis cases after MMR vaccination.

Undesirable reactions to vaccinations are often the consequence of toxic substances in the vaccine, "of contaminants which are not antigenes and have been introduced in the preparation of the vaccine (like, e.g., substances used in cell cultures on which the vaccine virus grows, or insufficiently purified bacteriological antigenes), or in-vivo replications of the viral or bacterial organisms. Hypersensitivity reactions may conceivably be due to additives to the vaccine, like, for example, neomycin in the MMR-vaccine or the mercury contained in Thimerosal, a preservative used in the DTP-vaccine." [25].

Considering that there are more unknowns than knowns in this vast field, with all imaginable cross-reactions, gene transers, etc., it is justifieable to liken the introduction of substances which have been cultivated on living organisms into the human body to a game of lottery. At no time do we know exactly what has been injected nor the consequences arising therefrom.

Development of Allergies
In today's pediatric practice we try hard to delay a possible allergene contact of the baby in order to avoid hyper-allergic reactions later on (e.g. neurodermitis, hayfever, allergic asthma, recently also hyperkinetic syndrome). A study of more than 2000 children showed that feeding them with cow milk during the first 9 months resultet in 7 times more frequent complaints of eczema afterwards [62]. For this reason there are a large number of hypoallergic nutritional products on the market, used by many parents, even though the study could not confirm a connection between ingestion of milk protein and occurrence of eczema.

On the other hand, the children are already at a very early age aggressively exposed to foreign proteins (allergenes) in the form of immunizations: diphteria, tetanus, pertussis, poliomyelitis, hemophilus influenzae, measels, mumps, rubella, and all the corresponding booster shots. Adding to this is the fact that the vaccines (with the exception of polio) come in direct contact with the blood circulation and hence are not subject to a antigen modification by, e.g., the gastro-intestinal tract.

Seeking to avoid contacts with allergenes on one hand, while massively promoting it on the other hand by means of vaccinations seems inconsistent. At least there ought to be studies aimed at investigating the connection between immunizations and subsequent atopias.

The Meaning of Childhood Diseases
What role the so-called childhood diseases play in the development of children has been subject of many discussions. Reports of developmental leaps are frequent, yet usually very subjective. There are, however, some observations that childhood diseases do not just harbor risks but can be quite usueful.

In Annals of Tropical Paediatrics [53] the following case is reported: "1984 a 5 year old girl presented with a bad case of psoriasis. She showed large affected areas on her body and extremities, also involving to a significant degree her scalp. During the following year she was treated by Pediatricians and Dermatologists with coal tar preparations, local steroids, UV light, and dithranol wraps. Despite these therapies and two hospitalizations, the psoriasis was refractory and remained essentially unchanged until she came down with measles. As the measles rash began to spread over her skin, the psoriasis disappeared. Since then she has been free of psoriasis."

Another startling effect is described in Am. J. Med. Hyg.: "The prevalence of parasites and average density of malaria parasites is significantly lower in children who have had measles or influenza before the age of 9 than in the asymptomatic control group." [54]

An article taken from the Lancet, 1985, [55] may be of decisive importance: "Persons who have never had any visible indication of measles, i.e., never devoloped the skin rash of measles, suffer more frequently from non measles associated diseases." "The data show a highly significant correlation between lack of measles exanthema and auto-immune diseases, seborrhoeic skin diseases, degenerative diseases of the bones and certain tumors... We think that the rash is caused by a cell mitigated immune reaction, which destroys the cells infected with the measles virus. If this is correct, the missing exanthema may indicate that intracellular virus components have escaped neutralization during the acute infection. This may later lead to the aforementioned diseases... The presence of specific antiobdies at the time of infection interferes with the normal immune response against the measles virus, in particular with the development of the specific cell mitigated immunity (and/or cyto-toxic reactions). The intracellular measles virus can then survive the acute infection and cause diseases manifesting in the adult age."

If the infection with measles happens at a time when there are already antibodies against the measles virus present, i.e., within the first few months after birth, or after administration of measles immune serum because of contact with measles, or after antibody production following vaccination, the immune system cannot react fully to the infection, leaving the virus the chance to become persistent.

If vaccinated children contract measles from the wild strain, the possibility exists that the infection will be overlooked in them, since they do not exhibit the typical signs of measles anymore. It is impossible to say how common these latent measles infections are; finding the connection between latent measles and a disease at adult age is impossible. If this suspicion proves to be true, the merit of the measles vaccination has to be re-evaluated carefully.

Level of Protection
A last word to the level of protection: parents who have their children immunized assume that they will not contract the diseases covered by the vaccine. Unfortunately this is not true to the degree that most parents assume. Some examples:

A population in the Gaza strip which was vaccinated to a density of 90% suffered two outbreaks of poliomyelitis, 1974 and 1976. In these epidemics 34% and 50%, respectively, of all sick children had received 3-4 doses of the vaccine. The incidence of diseases was 18 per 100,000 [35].

Hungary had a vaccination program which reached a 93% vaccination density in the target population.

A measles epidemic occurred in 1981. In contrast to earler epidemics, the majority of the sick were vaccinated persons, i.e., about 60%.

During another epidemic between Spetember 1988 and December 1989, there were 17938 cases of measles recorded (attack rate of 169 per 100,000), with the majority of cases reported in the vaccinated population (attack rates for the populations vaccinated in 1971 and 1972 were 1332 and 1632 per 100,000, respectively). The status of immunization was known of 12890 (76%) cases of measles. Of these, 8006 (62%) had been vaccinated. [29]

A measles epidemic broke out in an entirely vaccinated population of about 4200 students of three schools in the USA [38]. Further cases from the U.S. have been reported [46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51]

Despite a vaccination density of 96%, Fife, Scotland, was afflicted by a measles epidemic in 1991/92. This was followed shorthy thereafter by outbreaks of measles in other parts of the country, notwithstanding the high MMR vaccination density [45].

In Nashville, Tennesse (USA), occurred a large-scale mups outbreak in the vaccinated population [43]. It has been shown that the immunization against mumps provides in many cases only a 75% protection [39, 40, 43]. Mumps is nowadays regarded to be a mild disease [41, 42].

In conclusion we may say the following:

1. Vaccinations modulate the immune system. What exactly happens lies beyond the capabilities of today's scientific analysis. 2. In particular, long-term consequences of vaccinations are unknown because their existence is difficult to prove statistically. 3. So-called minimal lesions [63] and their consequences are not included in statistical studies of vaccination induced side effects. 4. Vaccinations do not give complete protection from the disease.

The decisive question one has to ask is whether the expected short-term benefit of vaccinations outweighs the potential long-term damage. We all tend to concern ourselves only with the problems at hand. Illnesses and diseases which threaten us now are more important in our eyes than possible complaints in the future. The fear of a post-measles encephalitis is bigger than the fear of the rheumatic pain of the 30 or 40 year old adult. If, however, there is indeed a connection between vaccinations and auto-immune diseases or tumor growth, it is questionable whether the cost-benefit analysis of today is still applicable. Considering that homeopathic treatment and prophylaxis can reduce the number of sequelae in childhood diseases significantly, the practice of vaccination becomes even more doubtful.

Knowledge of the nature of chronic diseases as described by Hahnemann are prone to make the homeopathic physician very sceptical towards introducing pathogenes into the human body. (S. Hahnemann, Chronic Diseases, theoretical part)

Confirming Hahnemann's insights, the collective experiences of seasoned homeopathic physicians show that vaccinations pose an obstacle to cure, and that diseases frequently take their course after a vaccination. Furthermore, childhood diseases are usually managed easily, and unvaccinated children undergo a less complicated development as their vaccinated counterparts.

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Hans Weitbrecht
Consultant Homeopath

Greetings!

And my sympathies to you for your dilemma. I am also still trying to get around that morass of police-state crapola in this fascist country (Usa). It sounds like you are already convinced and are looking for solutions. I have a couple leads, I suppose, but I doubt that I have what you are looking for since it sounds like you are already convinced and are looking for practical assistance. First, my idea of practicality about this issue.

I personally think we should execute everyone who is pro-vaccination since they are a priori allopathically brainwashed fools, tyrants and dummies guilty of several Laws of Karma ("Carryover," Sanskrit but originally from Lemurian/Mukulian) anyway. Future societies will exile such evil people, and we execute our capitol criminals, so it is perfectly logical to me. Unfortunately, we have to accept living at least another 100-500 years surrounded by total idiots. Neither can we, unfortunately, execute them all since that would give us only about 1000 clear- and independent-thinking people left on the face of the Earth. OOps! We need another solution.

It's a state-by-state issue. Seems you have to move if your state’s fascists won't allow you that freedom of choice. Even when you move, you'll face ignorantly evil people in insurance companies and school systems. Fascist country? fascist states? fascist insurance agents too? Uh oh, somebody should have warned us.

There doesn't seem to be a solution except to follow Hahnemann's lead and pack up and go from place to place till you can find either 1) a place of like-minded people, as he did @ Leipsig, 2) a place of exile and political freedom, as he did @ Cothen, or 3) a place of happiness, like-minded people and political freedom, as he did @ Paris. But nobody lives on the Moon today, so that's impossible. I'd say that leaves: move.

George Guess moved from the evil state of N. Carolina to neighboring S. Carolina, I think, but I don't know the various state laws. Of course, you could always fight in the courts and legislatures if you fancy being surrounded by fascists on one side and fools on the other who'd both be karmically better off dead.

If you're still thinking about it, I advise Walene James and her references so long as you totally ignore everything she says about homeopathy, for she doesn't make a single accurate statement about it and is clearly just a victim of HPH (i.e., high-potency-pseudo-homeopathic) propaganda and hokum. She answers your questions better than anyone else I have seen. I also definitely recommend the graphs in Thomas McKeown's THE ROLE OF MEDICINE. Somebody who thinks vaccines are a pretty good idea always invokes the notion that they got rid of the epidemic diseases. McKeown proved that totally wrong and them just allopathic jackasses. The facts don't like; just the interpreters. I think the graphs are in Chapter 6 or 7. The Beverly Hall Corporation (Quakertown, Pennsylvania, outside of Philadelphia) is very much opposed to vaccinations, and their physicians seem to know legal maneuvers to avoid polluting your innocent children with gazillions of viruses and foreign proteins and making them part of this gigantic and long-term genetic experiment from Hell. Like I said, however, I am still trying to get around that morass of nonsense myself. My state sucks, but I mean to move anyway, so it has been put aside. That is my practical advice.

If you are not already convinced about vaccinations, I have a paragraph or two about it written yesterday in a book review of the ORGANON. Here it is:

"...Hahnemann was easily the most brilliantly insightful and futuristic medical mind in history, a true forgotten genius centuries ahead of his time who was lost and abandoned in this centuries-long tail end of the Dark Ages. He gave us all of homeopathy, all the while being persecuted by the power structures and chased from town to town because the great truths he discovered so threatened the livelihood of doctors, apothecaries, academics, priests, lawyers, bankers, the rich and their cohorts that they immediately wanted him dead and homeopathy gone. They all but accomplished that in 1910, and look what they gave us. That is still the reality of the relationship between the two schools, for nothing is fundamentally different in the effectiveness of allopathic medicine from Hahnemann’s time till today despite major changes in their therapies, for they still can’t cure. No matter how isolated and forlorn we may feel about being surrounded by idiotic quacks and killers parading as physicians – who cannot cure any but bacterial diseases, if even those, but who nonetheless somehow manage to convince the world to accept their total incurability of all viral diseases, all chronic diseases and all psychiatric cases, easily 99% of all cases – we cannot likely ever even imagine the isolation and oppression Hahnemann must have endured his entire lifetime. Despite this, he left us the essential whole of homeopathy. He laid out the whole system in front of us with only the materia medica – ‘materials of medicine,’ meaning the textbooks of symptoms and diseases cured by our 2500-plus medicines – and repertory to it in need of expansion and refinement. Our work was made simple because every crucial element of homeopathy was rediscovered by Hahnemann.

“The natural laws he discerned make homeopathy the actual Science of Medicine or Science of Therapeutics, for natural laws form the foundation of the few pure sciences of chemistry, physics and homeopathy. Our uniquely curative pharmacology – only scientifically understandable in our times in which physics has admitted to a great many varieties of non-physical particles and energies like dark matter, virtual particles, tachyons, deltrons, the vacuum energy of empty space, Einstein’s cosmological constant, Debroglie’s subquantic medium, quintessence from String Theory, worm holes, etc. – includes both homeopathic potentization and trituration, and Hahnemann discovered them both.

"Hahnemann was the first person to advocate many major advancements in medicine. A couple of examples should prove interesting. Pinel of the Paris Academy is credited with reforming psychiatry to humane treatment of the insane and mentally ill. Literal torture was the standard treatment when Hahnemann was asked to cure Duke Klockenbring [sic] of Hanover of raving insanity in 1790. Not only did he actually cure the duke in the following summer via homeotherapeutics and thereby make the Royals our eternal friends, he changed the handling of the man by turnkeys and thus made a big stir in academic circles in both regards. Pinel picked up on it and is given credit for the reform, whereas it was really Hahnemann who did this. Decades before Pasteur and Koch’s very much overrated and misrepresented dog-and-pony shows about contagion and the germ theory made headlines, Hahnemann had discerned that microbes and disease susceptibility together cause infectious diseases. We see this in at least three sets of writings. The first two were published in 1792 within a series of articles and letters called THE FRIEND OF HEALTH. The first one is entitled The Bite of Mad Dogs. In it Hahnemann was the first to establish the germ-born nature of rabies. The fact that it was written prior to his discovery of homeopathy in 1790 is borne out by the following unfortunate remark at the end of otherwise brilliantly modern directions about how to clean a wound from a rabid dog: '…tranquilize his [the patient’s] circulation. A moderate blood-letting in plethoric individuals, or a glass of wine given to persons of an opposite constitution, will suffice for this purpose.' That mistake just shows that he gained such insights despite having adopted allopathic therapies in theory; i.e., he had long since abandoned medical practice because the pernicious therapies almost caused him to kill one of his own children, which resulted in him resorting to translating medical literature for a living until he discovered the Law of Similars. The second of three major writings on contagion far in advance of his time are 24 pages in the same work under three titles: 1) Plans for Eradicating a Malignant Fever, in a Letter to the Minister of Police; 2) More Particular Directions; and 3) Suggestions for the Prevention of Epidemics in General, Especially in Towns. The third set was a pair of papers published much later, in 1831, on the Asiatic cholera pandemic of the time. The first one was published in a medical journal and named Cause and Prevention of the Asiatic Cholera. The companion piece was a pamphlet he published to inform the public named Appeal to Thinking Philanthropists Respecting the Mode of Propagation of the Asiatic Cholera. Hahnemann never mentioned any microscope he may have had access to. He seems to have simply deduced the following:

"‘On board ships – in those confined spaces, filled with mouldy watery vapours, the cholera-miasm finds a favourable element for its multiplication, and grows into an enormously increased brood of those excessively minute, invisible, living creatures, so inimical to human life, of which the contagious matter of the cholera most probably consists – on board these ships, I say, this concentrated aggravated miasm kills several of the crew; the others, however, being frequently exposed to the danger of infection and thus gradually habituated to it, at length become fortified against it, and no longer liable to be infected. These individuals, apparently in good health, go ashore, and are received by the inhabitants without hesitation into their cottages, and ere they have time to give an account of those who have approached nearest to them are suddenly carried off by the cholera. The cause of this is undoubtedly the invisible cloud that hovers closely around the sailors who have remained free from the disease, and which is composed of probably millions of these miasmatic animated beings, which, at first developed on the broad marshy banks of the tepid Ganges, always searching out a preference the human being to his destruction and attaching themselves closely to him, when transferred to distant and even colder regions become habituated to these also, without any diminution either of their unhappy fertility or of their fatal destructiveness.’

“Hahnemann was not, however, a fanatical fool about germs because he was again very futuristic in perceiving that the other half of the puzzle of infectious diseases necessary for pathogens to wreck their havoc on us is an immune system that’s either immature (as in children), dysfunctional or fully compromised. This is made obvious by the fact that medicines didn’t exist during any of the time mankind was evolving and yet we are still here because our immune system overcomes germs when we’re healthy.

“The foregoing is not evidence that Hahnemann would be in favor of antibiotics or vaccines. Dismissal of antibiotics is very controversial to most people because they fail to perceive the long-term effects of any allopathic therapies until it is explained to them logically and shown to them empirically. Likewise, they fail to know the homeopathic successes in the raging epidemics of the 19th century are the very reason we rose to prominence so quickly with so few legitimate homeopaths and massive numbers of pseudo-homeopaths whose successes were only in those fixed diseases with medicines we told them to prescribe. And of course, no matter how brilliant Hahnemann was, nobody could have perceived the mass genetic experiment that’s been going on for more than 150 years with vaccines, whereby allopaths actually create diseases by shooting into us massive amounts of viruses – which, incidentally, cannot be killed because they are not living beings with any sort of metabolism – along with in-tact foreign animal proteins from the hosts on which they’re cultured. These viruses are ‘denatured,’ which is a nebulous word without much meaning in reality but apparently a way of convincing the uninformed and easily convinced that the viruses are killed without the conflicts of that impossibility. It’s typical allopathic sophistry. Evidence seems to be showing and may eventually prove that these genetically engineered viruses sit dormant in our cells for years and decades and then mutate when our organisms go haywire in chronic diseases. Cytomegalavirus (CMV), a beastie implicated in a large percentage of heart attacks, may prove to be the most prominent example of these Frankensteinian viruses shot into us. And the animal proteins shot into our muscle tissues along with viruses are just as bad, if not far worse than viruses, for they are not part of our genome. For the same reasons that species cannot breed outside of their own kind and why cloned animals soon die, our organisms cannot handle the presence of foreign animal proteins within our cells. People forget that ingested proteins are digested before actually entering out bodies, which means they are continually broken down into their constituent molecules till small enough to enter our bloodstreams as amino acids during assimilation of nutrients. When we eat animal proteins, they do not enter our bodies as whole foreign proteins from other genomes. But within vaccines they are certainly put into our cells. This is insane! Our immune responses are very complicated processes or biocellular pathways also called mechanisms. That begins with phagocytes concentrated en masse at the openings of our bodies to engulf invading microorganisms like amoebas. Those that get past that first line of defense have nonetheless been chemically identified by the phagocytes that give us the first stages of what are called antibodies. This process cannot be created artificially, at least not fully, which is why vaccines do not produce actual immunity. The allopathic lies about vaccines are actually so numerous that it is impossible to get people to think logically and according to empirical facts if they accept any pro-vaccination lies, for they are all interdependent sophistries (i.e., false conclusions based upon erroneous assumptions). Thomas McKeown established with time-line graphs in The Role of Medicine: Dream, Mirage or Nemesis? that vaccines, much vaunted by allopaths as having gotten rid of epidemic diseases, had absolutely nothing to do with the disappearance of those scourges. Rather, epidemic diseases as then existed disappeared as a simple matter of four advances in civilization at the turn of the century 100 years ago: 1) pipes out (sewage treatment); 2) pipes in (clean water); 3) mass adherence to good hygienic measures finally having become adopted; and 4) the combination of interstate rail transportation coupled with refrigeration techniques in order to ship and store fresh fruits and vegetables all around the country and thus correct nutritional deficiencies responsible for susceptibility to various diseases. Obvious, isn’t it?

"Hahnemann was not opposed to vaccines, at least not in theory, and for this reason he may have also embraced antibiotics until the evidence showed him what it does to us. They compromise the immune system when used often and long term, because they indiscriminately attack bacteria and our cells they are hosts within. The object of health is to not need drugs, but it seems that allopaths get enthusiastic about their therapies as would-be heroes. They have, in fact, recently readopted the term ‘heroic medicine’ in relation to highly invasive and dangerous procedures, but it is unlikely that people know the historical connections. Bloodletting and calomelization, as well as all of the other mineral substances used by period allopaths, were also called heroic medicine during Hahnemann’s time. The more reasonable method of applying antibiotics would seem to logically be in much smaller amounts than presently used in order to assist rather than take over the functions of our animal organism. Similarly, the early Hahnemannians were uniformly opposed to vaccines. In fact, without exception, the only people in favor of vaccinations are those who are misinformed. Unfortunately, they are still the vast majority of humanity, but that will quickly change as those fools die off and the allopathic lies become exposed. Hear Max Planck on the initial reception to great truths and their eventual acceptance:

“'An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents. What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarised [sic] with the ideas from the beginning.' (Max Planck, 1858-1947, SCIENTIFIC AUTOBIOGRAPHY, 1949)

"Hahnemann was a truly great man. The only way to learn this for oneself is to read about him and from his pen. No better example of his prose exists than the ORGANON for the reason that he saw it as the explanation of homeopathy and homeotherapeutics. With the ORGANON, Hahnemann attempted to leave no ambiguities and yet no stone unturned. It is the most important book in homeopathy and in all of medicine, and homeopaths believe that it should be required reading in public schools throughout the grades so that we finally attain a generation of people who are not allopathically brainwashed..."


Good Luck!

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Albert, also Hahnemannian444B

my children had some vaccines but after I became a homeopath no more ... none of my grandchildren have been vaccinated.
But yes I do advise those who need a vaccination cert to travel to take Thuja 30 or 1m on the day before , day , and day after. Has worked over a fairly long period.

Less threatening , like measles !! . Have you looked at the Uk govt's payout on vaccine damaged [ brain]children - no you take a big risk when you opt to vaccinate for measles . particularly if the child is under two .
As I have posted elsewhere on this site ;-
I was about to suggest the nomination of the man who had attenuated the AIDS Virus in order to produce a ‘vaccine’ against AIDS for Nobel Prize – when I read in the paper that the WHO is suggesting that an epidemic of Measles MAY occur in Europe. The WHO in Europe is recommending that all children under ONE YEAR be vaccinated.
As a child does not have a complete immune system under the age of TWO what on earth animates their thinking. As usual there are the vague threats of all kinds that may damage the children, BUT no mention of the numerous cases of vaccine damage following vaccination or the numerous cases where the USA had to pay out millions of dollars after the debacle of the swine flu vaccination in the late 70’s.
One can only wonder if the manufacturers of vaccine are short of work , or profit – or both.