i don't want to go into a pro/con discussion about vaccination, just to give my experience with my 2 girls. both have not had any vaccinations whatsoever and are healthy all around. whooping cough was tough on me, not so tough on them homeopathy did clear up the remainders of it and the pediatrician who told me that the girls will now be more susceptible to colds after the whooping cough, because the lungs are compromised was totally amazed to see both at the check up healthy and having had far fewer colds than the average kids in town.

as regards authorities, i know it varies from state to state, but here in oregon we have "religious exempt" that we can claim - so that's what we do

it may be interesting to know that the so called childhood diseases are necessary and help the child touch upon the underlying miasms, which after the acute will have healed a bit and ensure better health over all for the future of the person. to disallow childhood diseases is to forgo a chance at healing the chronic diseases underlying the acute.

good luck with your decision
claudia

Dear Snoopy

God bless you, really I can't thank you enough for the tips you gave for vaccination.

When I brought my daughter back from the hospital after vaccination she appeared fine but after around 3 hours she cried like I have never heard any child cry. She almost turned blue and unable to breath due to crying so much, she seemed to be in immense pain. I immediately gave her one dose of Apis 30 which didn't do much after a couple of minutes even. Then I gave her one dose of Ledum 30 again no effect.

In the meantime her vaccination place (right thigh) had turned swollen and red. I then gave her a dose of Hep Sulf 30 which worked wonders. Within 5 minutes her swelling and redness was gone and she also seemed relaxed.

Seeing the response of Apis and Ledum, I realized that she needed Hypericum and gave her one dose of it in 30C. Within 3 minutes she was as if nothing had ever happened.

2 hours passed by easily and after that she again started crying as if in a lot of pain. I again repeated Hypericum one dose and within 3-4 minutes she was fine.

Thereafter till midnight, I gave her two more doses of Hypericum after 2.5 hours and this kept her calm and relaxed.

I gave her one dose of Belladona 30C also when she was feverish in the evening and it worked like magic. Within 2 minutes she seemed back to normal.

I know homeopathy works quickly but having seen this all seems like magic.

I am seriously looking at the pros & cons of vaccination. But even if I decide on doing it, now I know what homeopathy can do and can't imagine what I would have done without it.

Thanks again and God bless you.

Best regards.

P.S: I am pasting it here again in addition to my other post so that this topic starter can also gain from my experience.

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Hold on to your horses. you should never give a remedy befor a vaccine unless they go into say an arsenicum state because they fear it. It is wrong to just assume thuja should be given after a vaccine. More people need nux0v afterwards but then again maybe only 25% but you must take the case and prescribe on the symptoms. Also a fairly high persentage of people that get vaccinces do not have a bad reaction and will not need a remedy. I am against vaccines if the family has a good homeopath.

But any one who thinks you should give a remedy before surgery or a vaccine or dental work simply does not understand classical homeoapthy. The person must be in the state representing the remedy they need if the body/mentals/emotionals indicate that remedy.

To give a remedy just for the sake fo doing so is totally irresponsible. Individual susceptability is what matters and their response to the stress of the vaccine will indicate which remedy ot give if in fact they do not adjust to it.

If you do not understand this you don't fully understand homeoapthy and likely would have a tendency to over prescribe which is simply not in the best interest of the patient.

People who say arnica should be given befor a surgery clearly have been mislead.

You must wait to see the individual response before you prescribe.

I once took a case of someone after major surgery who used no pain meds after anesthesia an dthey went through 4 stages of healing and 4 different remedies in 8 hours and it was remarkable. The anesthesilogist and docs in the recovery room were amazed. Of course I had Dr. Herscu on the other line but the point is after a shcok or stress such as a vaccine, you must let the body's response determine what is needed.

JO

Just for some info

I told my daughters pediatrician we wanted to hold off on most vaccines with no problem, well, little problem. Polio does not exist in the USA and hasn't for some time so unless you plan to travel to countries where it exists it is stupid to get the vaccine - there is ZERO risk of contracting polio. Also, HepB is given at birth and the only way to get it is from blood transfusion and IV drug use - so again impossible to get. Tetanus seems uneeded as the risk of a newborn getting that is next to zero.

Your child can get pertussis, rare, but possible, and can be dangerous if contracted before age 2. Homeopathy is very effective in treating pertussis. Diptheria is unheard of.

Measles is possible but I have found that the vaccine for measles seems very inneffective, moreso than the other vaccines. Rubbella is benign unless in a pregnant woman and mumps is only dangerous for boys if they get it during teen years. Again, homeopathy is very effective for all of these.

There is really no risk in at least postponing the vaccines. If you nurse your baby they get all your antibodies anyway so will be protected from most of these illnesses if you have the antibodies for them.

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Dear saracat,

I reread your post and I realise that you don't need any arguments against vaccinations, but would wish to know how to avoid them...

Here in Japan there are no compulsive vaccinations, I know of many people who did not vaccinate their children at all, although they often have to face from the doctors accusals like "Do you wish to kill your child?", but none of the children has suffered so far.

In one of the testimonies that I posted the link to (above) I think I read that there is a sort of a warning that should be known in medical circles in the US that children with weak immunity should not be vaccinated, and another paper or something which says that it is not possible to decide whether a child has weak immunity or otherwise before the age of 1 year, so you could reasonably use this as an excuse to avoid vaccinations, if you could not find a good homeopath or other alternative practitioner by that time.

My very best wishes,

HelenaZ

Barb, Dunno where you got "Polio does not exist in the USA and hasn't for some time so unless you plan to travel to countries where it exists it is stupid to get the vaccine - there is ZERO risk of contracting polio." But, you better check this information again.

Polio IS alive and kicking in the USA. And, most of the cases of people who have 'recently' contracted polio are those who've been around babies who've had the live virus vaccine (the pink liquid given to babies and children). I personally know of a grandfather who changed his granddaughter's nappy/diaper who contracted it from her. It's passed in bodily fluids/excretions.

If anyone is changing the nappy of a baby who's had the polio vaccine in the previous two months -- they are most certainly at risk (if they are indeed susceptible to polio) of catching polio. Really important to wash your hands! Thoroughly (and hope you're not susceptible to polio).

Mumps isn't dangerous to all boys. I also personally know one man who had mumps at age 8 (quite a nasty case too AND he had HAD the blahdy vaccine!) -- and went on to have produce 5 children. But the risk is there. Even so, it's treatable with homeopathy for sure.

Nursing your baby will only give them any anti-bodies you have. If you've never actually had measles (only the vaccine!) then your baby will not be immune to measles, for example. And there is even some doubt that baby will be immune if you have actually had measles. In any case, measles isn't life threatening unless there is undernourishment and malnutrition.

There is loads of information on the internet, Fitness First. And, really, it's your responsibility as a parent to gather as much information as possible so that you can make an informed decision.

I agree with JohnO regarding giving remedies ONLY when there are indications they are needed. Btw, if a child has a response after a vaccine --- it's good --- it means his vital force is rallying against the 'morbific influence'. If there is no reaction --- that's when I'd get worried!

Good luck with your search for info. Try Sheri Nakken's site. Don't have the link off hand -- but I'm sure you can find it on a google search or someone else might post it for you.

Auatin

I had limited time so was stating the basics. Yes, I should have said "wild" polio has not been in the USA for 20 or so years. The only cases of polio since that time have been form the vaccine. However, that argument is moot now too because for the past 3 years or so they only use the dead vaccine in all the polio shots, no longer the live which is why I didn't mention it.

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If people have polio (as a result of having taken the oral polio vaccines)then polio is still alive and well - and others can contract it. Whether it was from a vaccine or not doesn't really matter. The point is -- it is still around in the USA.

This isn't to advocate vaccines (at all).
I have seen a documentary in the recent past discussing the 'recent' rise in polio cases in the US. Wonder if anyone else remembers this?

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P.S. Also, this OPV (oral vaccine with the live virus) is still being used in other parts of the world. It's a transient world we live in.

http://www.mercola.com/article/Diet/...olio_sugar.htm

The above link gives some interesting information in the prevention of polio. Haven't researched this -- but it might be good to discuss.

There are further links on Mercola's site above regarding polio and vaccines in general for anyone wishing to seek more information.