007, if George Vithoulkas had solved this case in such a manner, no one would have said anything. I wrote previously about how George noticed a guest in his home restlessly moving from her chair to the fire place and back again, walking slightly bent over and occasionally pressing her abdomen against a hard object, like a book, window sill, etc., and Vithoulkas took her husband aside and said, "Here's Colocynth 30C for your wife."

Where was the full case here? He never even spoke to her!

The other thing is, you have to be flexible in your approach because everyone dosen't know what homeopathy is and everyone isn't going to sit still for a 2 hour inquisition! Also, the boy wasn't even there, the Mom was at my house to pick up her daughter, not for an appointment. Also, if you suspect a remedy,
your next step is to ask confirmatory questions for it.
If I had gotten a "No, he sleeps on his side"
or "No, he tends to keep his shoes on" I would have dropped that line of questioning. Oh, and I forgot, I also asked if he sleeps with the covers on or kicks them off and if he takes his jacket off outside in the winter and, well, I think you know the answer.

Snoopy

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Dear Snoopy, Don't get annoyed with this post. I observed a funny point and I want to point out that one. :razz:

Your friend sr always said on this forum that she never suggests remedy without taking full case. You also confirmed in your last post that you did not take full case and want to inquire about the remedy. I think you did not follow proper case taking techniques. Inspite of this Sr sent her recommendation to fittness. Is it not funny from her part.

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snoopy

Can you confirm that this is the only method / technique of case taking for reaching at similimum for this asthamatic patient, which you have adopted?

I totally disagree with you. It is upto the homeopath, how does he see or conceive the situation or condition of the patient and then adopts a technique which may be suitable in his opinion for his patient.

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Snoopy is talking about the name of the selection of the remedy after the completion of case taking and now she is demanding for selection of remedy.

While I am talking about those 35 methods and techniques for case taking . We cannot give surty that which method one may adopt for his / her patient during taking up the case. There are different methods of case taking and after adopting each case taking method you will come accross with different remedies. I am dam sure. And each remedy is capable of curing that disease and pathogensis. I have many years of experience in this field. Did you read leela's new thougths, she also confirmed that there so many techniques. Kim (md at hpathy) said there could be two or three similimum for the same case. I can't confirm I have no idea. :razz:

if you will adopt miasmatic case taking method for the same child then believe me the remedy will be different.

If you base your prescription on causative factor (which is also a good case taking method) then remedy will be different and it can also cure the same patient.

If you base your prescription on totality, another fundamental rule in case taking (from past history to present history) then you will certainly come across another useful remedy which too have all the power of the world for curing the same patient according to similia principle.

One of the most suitbale casing taking method in treating chronic asthmatic patient is to handle the patient by utilizing constitution method, (asthmatic constitution) when you will adopt this method the remedy will be totally different.

snoopy completely missed questions regarding the vaccination history in that patient. Far from being restricted to any particular category, vaccine related illness similarly encompasses the full range of chronic diseases in children, from asthma, eczema, and allergies to otitis media etc. :razz:

Then how could a single remedy be given as a choice. As we don't know which method of case taking will a homeopath may adopt?

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Dr.Salim and James Bond,

For heaven's sake, try to stay focused! The so-called client did not have an appt. with me, did not know what homeopathy was and had about 10 minutes to spend with me. I give this case only because Fitness First has repeatedly made the assertion that our profession is in such disarray that if you give a case to 10 homeopaths, they will come up with 10 different remedies.

Now, Shirley has presented an actual case, I have presented an actual case, and we are asking that you email Fitness First and tell her what Shirley prescribed and what I prescribed, so that we can see if what she is saying is true!

Snoopy

ChachaHeels,

After having read all that you have, I can only have mercy on your life style. Although I know this approach works probably the best but this is not realistic "I even know how much the courrier will cost if the part has to be delivered to the garage" !!!

I am sure there must a remedy for this sort of obsessiveness

If you do a survey of people around you, probably not more 20% would be spending their lives like you have mentioned. Why don't you find good professionals ONCE after doing all the homework and then RELY on them. Wouldn't that make your life easy

You can keep "auditing" their approach and work off and on so that you stay confident about their abilities.

Just read and think for a while what you have written above "I NEVER hire anyone to work on my house for repairs unless I have jobcosted the work myself--". Man, you need serious help.

And you seem to be missing the point totally again and again. Even to reach at individual remedies for each and every person, you need answers to a definite set of questions, example, you will want to know all of symptoms that the patient is exhibiting in his head, nose, mouth ....etc. etc Then you can come up with a remedy that fits only this patient. So the case taking should a standard protocol to ensure that you don't miss out on anything. That's my point.

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P.S:

And as regards the references by friends, this is an approach that I am luke warm to. What if your friend's criterion of a good doctor is that he must be "good looking". Then you would have had it

Who decides what "good" is. What's good for me might be below average for you.

To make sure that each and everyone is on the same level of understanding, the criteria have to be objectively set, example, if I were to find out a good doctor, I might start by saying that he must be a member of ....., must have 10 years of work experience etc. etc. and in the end if I find references by friends, would be a bonus.

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Dear Members
I want to contribute to a few points made earlier on this tread.
The basic question should be:

What is a good practitioner?

My answer is: A good practitioner is a practitioner who knows how to cure rational in each case brought to him for treatment. The word rational is defined by Hahnemann in this context as: quick, gentle and permanent restoration to health. Hahnemann and others have found by experience, that in many cases the Homeopathic method is the most rational approach to effect cure, but not in every case of disease.
So—the practitioner you are looking out for has to be able to decide in each given case, which method / measures are the most rational.

Focusing now on the homeopathic method.
The homeopathic method is well laid out in all aspects in the Organon.
Unless it is agreed, that the Organon forms the basis of discussions on homeopathy, any further comment would be meaningless.
The paragraphs relating to case- taking, and case-analysis are numerous and should be born in mind for the following points.
Non-leading questions are essentially used to clarify the patient-information, so that a clearer picture of the disease [ disease-picture] can be drawn up. This disease-picture is in not identical with the morbid symptom picture, containing all morbid phenomena of the patient present and past. Only symptoms directly related time-wise to the main complaint form part of the disease-picture indicative for the curative remedy.
As curativeness in homeopathy is achieved by symptom-similitude, there can be several remedies, which have in their lists the symptoms-in-question in a similar enough fashion and be therefore curative.
So—whether in a given case there are one or several remedies similar enough to cure proves only, that this is a simile law and not a idem law.

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Hans

You have also missed the point. The question is not "what is a good practitioner theoretically" but "How to spot a good homeopath in life". The question is this: You are a homeopath, you have been in this field for x number of years, can you tell an ignorant person how to find a good homeopath, what to look for?

You have provided broad and vague answers which add little value to the discussion. Regarding remedy selection, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that there maybe 10 remedies capable of curing a single problem.

Let me expand on it, if I were having an acute problem of tickling cough and check out the repertory, all the remedies mentioned under tickling cough will be able to cure me. Be it 3 or be it 30 remedies.

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Hans, I totally agree with you

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