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Old 17th May 2003, 03:34 PM
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Modern homeopaths repeat the same remedy in the same potency without knowing the sensitiveness of the patient. I think, this procedure could be harmful in sensitive patients as it can derive back gear of health. Without watching the effect of the prescribed remedy is it not harmful to repeat and repeat remedy. Is this the standard way of practice?

These are the words which always fasinate me on this issue? What do you say ?

It is written to give second dose only after the action of first dose is completed. If the good affect of first dose is still there ,no need to give another dose. If the patient is better and the action of first dose is completed,there is no need to go higher, we can repeat the same dose and wait until the good affect last. If there is no reaction even after repeating the former dose, which has done good in past, you can go for next potency.

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Old 18th May 2003, 01:37 AM
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I agree totally with your second paragraph.

Re your first paragraph I don't believe that MOST homeopaths repeat the dose. I think they may do if that prescribe using LMs but I don't use them!!

However I have been known to repeat (low with a water potency)if a patient is on a lot of allopathic medication. But really every case is individual so a generalisation can not really be given.

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Dear 007,

Hahnemann makes a big point of saying in the organon not to repeat the exact same dose:

"It is inadmissible to repeat, even once, exactly the same dose of medicine without modifying it... The vital principle does not accept such identical doses without opposition....But if one slightly modifies the potency of each new dose by dynamizing it to a somewhat higher degree...the sick vital principle allows itself to be altered further by the same medicine without ill effect...." (247)

He's not talking here about 5th ed. organon prescribing--one dose high and wait. The people who prescribe this way pretty much know not to repeat the remedy unless the patient relapses.

The 6th ed. of the Organon is based on a new concept: In chronic disease, giving a patient one dose of a high potency and waiting a month or more is unsatisfactory both in terms of time spent waiting and in the aggravations it causes. He did not like aggravations; the right remedy, he said in #275, 276, prescribed too high will affect precisely the very organ that can least tolerate the excessive force.

He developed the LM's because they had the power of the high potencies with the gentleness of the low potencies. They could be given daily like a low potency, if necessary, without causing the serious harm that the high potencies have the potential for. However, he said that they must be redynamized (succussed) each time to prevent untoward reactions. I now use this advice in all my prescribing. Every remedy for every purpose gets put into a water bottle, whether it's a 6C, a 30C or whatever. Before each dose the bottle is succussed. I have experienced for myself what happens if you are taking a remedy and you repeat it too soon in the exact same dose--it cancels itself out!
(After all, like cures like!) You can prevent this by putting the remedy in water and succussing before each dose.

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It is written to give second dose only after the action of first dose is completed. If the good affect of first dose is still there ,no need to give another dose. If the patient is better and the action of first dose is completed,there is no need to go higher, we can repeat the same dose and wait until the good affect last. If there is no reaction even after repeating the former dose, which has done good in past, you can go for next potency.

That was the paragraph on which Richy first agreed and said I agree TOTALLY with this paragraph and then she did not go to sleep. she thought and thought and then she came back and edit her post again after many hours of frusted thoughts. Look at her she in her later comments TOTALLY neglected everything which she TOTALLY agreed first.

O.k I will ask these new questions in another way.

Is this first paragraph not applicable on LM of homeopathy as you pointed out

Yes or No

Is the paragraph not applicable if a pateint has come after the use of allopathic medication, as you said

Yes or No

You said every case is individual and generalization can not be given. Is this paragraph not applicable in each individual cases of homeopathy

Yes or No

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snoopy, I understand what you are saying. Thanks for your extra ordinary explanation. I always like to read your points. thanks again
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FYI - I edited the page immediately I wrote it because of the spelling mistakes!! You are presuming again!!

What I subsequently was attempting to explain is that every case is individual and sometimes there are reasons for repeating.

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Don't worry. I know you are still online on this thread.

O.K come to homeopathy, we are studying homeopathy...

Reply to my questions properly.... But think first After that I am going to take you Dr. Rama's Hospital.

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<<Is this first paragraph not applicable on LM of homeopathy as you pointed out

Yes or No>>

I can't answer this as I don't use LMs. Mu pateints and I are perfectly happy with the results from C potencies.

<<Is the paragraph not applicable if a pateint has come after the use of allopathic medication, as you said

Yes or No>>

Every case is individual. It depends on what allopathic drugs they are on, how long they have been taking them, the vitality and age of the patient, their pathology etc etc!!

<<You said every case is individual and generalization can not be given. Is this paragraph not applicable in each individual cases of homeopathy

Yes or No>>
Obviously not!!
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I think the first para is not applicable on water potency..
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