Hello Everybody:

Have a question on nosodes? How safe are these? My particular question arises for Tuberculinum which has been recommended for my son (8yr old) for his allergies etc. condition by a homeopath. What if his judgement was wrong and Tub was not the right remedy for him? What reactions/aggravations I can notice due to administration of Tub? What damage can it do if not the right remedy? He recommended 3 doses of Tub 200, once a month for three months.

Your help is highly appreciated.

Thanks & Best Regards,
Rajan

Firstly, your practitioner should be assessing the results of a treatment BEFORE advising you to use the remedy for a second or third month. It is irresponsible to tell a patient to repeat a remedy without first checking the results of the first dose or series of doses.

Secondly, EVERY remedy can produce unwanted effects if it is the wrong remedy. However, an aggravation is not unwanted, although it is certainly uncomfortable. An aggravation is usually a good sign, and shows that the remedy is working.

If a remedy is wrong, it will do one of several things.

1. Move the symptoms around - cause them to change location or character.

2. Create a proving - symptoms will appear that are characteristic of the remedy but new to the patient.

3. Nothing will happen - the person is not sensitive to that remedy or their illness is stronger than the remedy, and so remains unchanged.

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David Kempson.<br />Dip.Homoeopathic Medicine.<br />Lecturer Australian College of Natural Therapies (Brisbane Campus)<br />Member AHA, AROH, HMA<br />Member Australian Homoeopathic Association. Member#0442.

Dear Rajan, dear David

I want to continue, where David left it and ask the question in general:
Question:
How do we know, that the remedy is chosen homoeopathically?
Answer:
If the Symptom-complex of the remedy chosen is similar to the symptom-picture present in the patient.
Question:
How do we know the symptom-complex of the remedy?
Answer:
By trying the substance in healthy individuals to that extend, that no more new symptoms are brought out.
Question:
How do we know, that the remedy from our supplier is identical to the proving substance?
Answer:
If the remedy supplied is made from the same source as the proving substance.

As regards Nosodes:

They clearly lack complete provings, which makes it difficult to apply them safely.
How can we select a remedy without knowing its virtues in advance?
The source question is also a problem. There are no identical sources available for nosodes.
Even, if we might have selected according the meagre symptoms we have Tub., we can be in no-way sure, that the remedy we are supplied with is identical to the substance proven.

David wrote:
&gt;&gt;&gt;Secondly, EVERY remedy can produce unwanted effects if it is the wrong remedy. However, an aggravation is not unwanted, although it is certainly uncomfortable. An aggravation is usually a good sign, and shows that the remedy is working.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

David,
Hahnemann and myself are here of a different opinion.
And to be precise,--- just that you can pass it onto your students correctly—
Hahnemann limits the homeopathic aggravation, which is the slight increase of the one or the other disease-symptom, to a few hours after the application of the remedy in par.: 157 Org.

Any other aggravation is a bad sign, of an unsuitably chosen remedy, and the case then would need further investigation.

Quote:
If a remedy is wrong, it will do one of several things.
1. Move the symptoms around - cause them to change location or character.

2. Create a proving - symptoms will appear that are characteristic of the remedy but new to the patient.

3. Nothing will happen - the person is not sensitive to that remedy or their illness is stronger than the remedy, and so remains unchanged.&lt;&lt;
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Another possibility is:
4. the remedy imprints on the liveforce and makes the patient incurable homoeopathically.
Nosodes tend to do that more frequently, than other remedies, and it takes a lot of time and effort to remove these imprints, so that well indicated remedies work orderly again. I am not successful in every case where that happened.

So—there is danger when remedies are given in an non-curative way.

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Hans Weitbrecht
Consultant Homeopath

An aggravation of unusual intensity may mean several things, one of which may be that the wrong remedy has been given. It may also mean any of the following:

1. the potency was unsuitable
2. the patient is unusually sensitive
3. the pathology is serious and deep
4. the patient is incurable

Many times I have seen patients react very strongly to the remedy I have prescribed, and afterwards have experienced great relief which has lasted many months or years, and comes with the excellent signs of increased well-being and mental clarity. They may also experience return of old symptoms which come and then go. Many times I have seen patients have minor aggravations and also experience great relief as in the first instance.

So I cannot say that an increased aggravation is a sign one way or the other of an incorrectly selected remedy, since obviously I have seen patients cured despite (or because of) them.

It is true that a nosode may imprint itself on the patient, as can any remedy - a remedy is simply a trauma used medicinally to provoke a cure. The trauma may be interpreted by the vital force as a real one however, and may cause a more permanent derangement. On the rare times I have seen a patient react this way to one of my prescriptions, it has been with a nosode. I have seen patients come to me from other homoeopaths suffering long term consequences from other types of remedies though - possibly mainly the poisons such as Ars and Lach. I have also seen Sulphur affect people this way, although sometimes that is more a result of suppression of skin diseases.

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David Kempson.<br />Dip.Homoeopathic Medicine.<br />Lecturer Australian College of Natural Therapies (Brisbane Campus)<br />Member AHA, AROH, HMA<br />Member Australian Homoeopathic Association. Member#0442.

Dear David, Hans,

Thanks for your input. It is very nice of you both to share your expertise here.

Your help is very much appreciated.

Regards,
Rajan

Dear Rajan,

I'm a little taken aback by the dosing schedule.
As David said, 200C once a month for three months
presumes that the reaction to the first or second dose should just be ignored; that's just bizarre! I would call this kind of prescribing very irresponsible and wouldn't trust this person's judgement at all, even to select the right remedy. If you're concerned, post your child's symptoms and we can tell you if the practitioner is in the ballpark; if so, one dose of a 200C is sufficient.

Snoopy

[ 18. March 2003, 04:58: Message edited by: Snoopy ]

Please do not follow the instructions you got for Tub.
Tub. may be indicated according to the symptoms, but I would be very cautious with Tub 200. It could cause severe chest cold or pneumonia by bring out an old infection. I do not use lower than Tub 1M and give one dose, and closely monitor the patient after taking it. Often a fever will be induced too, so it must be closely monitored. It may or may not need to be given again in a different potency or strength, after observing the results.

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Anti-aging
Carole Franske

Dear Snoopy & Carol,

Thanks for your help. The question now is whether Tub is needed and which potency is the best to administer, incase Tub is the right remedy. I am posting here the complete details on son's case. The other remedies recommended by the homeopath along with Tub were Nat Ars 30 & Penthora 30 once a day.
Let me know if you have further questions on the case.

Thanks & Best Regards,
Rajan
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Age- 8 years
Sex- Male
Height/Weight: Normal

Health and physique: Normal, picky eater, pure vegetarian, eats hardly any fruits. Face looks pale. Wears glasses (short sighted i.e. needs glasses for distant objects).

Profession- Student

Present Complaints: Chronic Sinus Infection / Fever Problem

He has sinus allergies & gets sick (fever) too often. His sinus allergies are hereditary & we don't know what he is allergic to. His allergy/sinus/ fever problems started about 4 years ago when he started going to school. Usually, he gets runny nose & is stuffed up. His nasal discharge is 12 months a year. His eyes and the area below get puffy and his lips get dried and flaky. Currently, the puffiness below the eyes is only in the morning. He also has post-nasal drip. Frequently, this nasal discharge becomes yellowish-greenish & develops fever.

In fact, currently his chest is congested too & is sometimes (once in a while) mildly coughing. He does not have any chills and is not complaining about anything other than nasal discharge & headaches as mentioned below. In general he is active & healthy.

He usually has been complaining of headache at the back of his head. This is throbbing pain & worse on motion & in heat. Sometimes he does not have headache but if he is sitting in a car for sometime he complains of headache i.e. gets headache due to motion.

He frequently gets chest congestion usually followed by dry cough. He also frequently gets ear infections in the past but currently does not have this problem.

Past History-
No other problem other than flu or sinus problems. Taken all childhood immunizations as required by system here.

Family history-
Dad & Mom have sinus problems too. No TB or any chest problems in the family.

Thirst: Normal

Appetite- Normal but picky eater, strictly vegetarian. Complains about nausea if he drinks milk in the morning/breakfast, and says his stomach started hurting, but he is OK if he takes milk in the evening. In general, he likes milk.

Reaction to temperature- Normal. Sometimes complains about stomach ache & headache in excessive enclosed heat. OK in open air. Does not like to be covered in the night but in general he is on the chilly side.

Bowel habits- Normal, regular.

Urine - Normal.

Perspiration: Normal

Mentals- In general he is very bright, social, active kid. Extrovert, & doesn't keep anything to heart. Talks too much…too many questions…some of them, which I feel if he thinks & tries to figure out himself, he should have the answers to his questions. But he is very quiet, shows no restlessness in school, but lacks confidence. I think there is a bit of restlessness in him. He is very well behaved & stays still in class but when he comes home I feel he is a bit restless…lacks concentration…changes posture etc. I feel he lacks the concentration level to the extent as I feel he should have. He is a bit careless, will forget his things at school, often spill things etc….could be more responsible.

Current Symptoms: Lots of nasal discharge, yellowish greenish in the morning, rarely coughs but has chest congestion. Tired all the time, looks weak and pale.
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Let me know if you need any further details. Thx

This looks clearly Pulsatilla.
Have him take Pulsatilla 1M, one dose.
Avoid coffee, camphor and coca cola.
And report progress. A showing of some mild symptoms may occur in the next five days.

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Anti-aging
Carole Franske

Dear Carole,

Thx for your reply. I missed mentioning some of the remedies tried on him which have not helped in the past: Pulsatilla 200, Zincum 200, Natrum Sulph 30 (or 200 not sure), Phosphorus 200, Kali Sulph 30. All in C potency.

Thanks
Rajan

[ 18. March 2003, 23:38: Message edited by: Rajan ]