I've put in a call to my homeopath but she usually takes a couple of days to get back to me and I'm not sure I can last that long. I'm seriously getting worse from this last dose of my remedy and I'm beginning to think I was overdosed the same way my husband was last summer.

I got a 1M carc on Nov. 11 and I didn't notice any difference for at least a month or so. Then my thyroiditis started flaring up more and more and now I'm to the point where it's flaring all the time. I'm having terrible chills that go down to my bones and I can't get warm. I feel faint much of the time. And I can't tolerate my thyroid medication very well anymore. I feel slightly nauseous every so often and emotionally upset much of the time. And all my joints ache all the time. This has been going on for weeks now, getting progressively worse over time, and there seems to be no end to it. I'm definitely worse than I was before getting the remedy. I'm trying to increase my thyroid medication because I'm definitely hypothyroid, but I've become hypersensitive to the medication and don't tolerate it as well as I used to. I feel ruined.

Does it sound like an overdose? Would I benefit from antidoting this remedy?

Shirl

At this stage don't take any warm liquid like tea or coffee. These things will badly increase your hypo symptoms although these are also used to antidote but not in your case. Just cool down and wait for your homeopath.

I don't know whether Zinc met or Gels can antidote carc or not but if you are in hurry then take a dose of Zinc met after reading symptoms from materia medica. I think 1m will be a good choice at this stage.

[ 05. March 2003, 18:35: Message edited by: Secret Agent ]

Hi Shirl,

Seems like we've been here before, huh. Do you remember what helped your husband? I believe it was a 6C of the same remedy he was taking. Of course, it's next to impossible to get Carcinosin 6C but Natural Health Supply has it at
www.a2zhomeopathy.com. A 30X or 30C may also antidote.
Since you live in California, I know of 2 California homeopaths who prescribe much more cautiously if you are interested, and they are: Luc De Schepper, MD and Timothy Dooley, MD if you'd care to look them up in the Directory on the Homepage of this site.

Sorry to hear about this as always.

Snoopy

my advice is no to the zinc, and no times ten to the carcinosin in lower potency.
yes to a careful, experienced new homoeopath.

Nux V is an antidote to carc. I would use one dose only of Nux V. 30C, at bedtime.

[ 06. March 2003, 01:56: Message edited by: Carole Franske ]

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Thank you all for your replies. I'm getting conflicting advice here and I guess I'll have to trust my instincts to decide how to procede.

My homeopath wants to take my case again and see if I need another remedy. She suspects that is the case, but I don't want to go through this anymore. I'm tired of getting worse and not better. And I'm fast losing my faith in this whole process. So far my husband and I have spent a lot of money and time and seen two different homeopaths and neither one of us is any better. So trying another homeopath is just another gamble of time and resources we just can't afford. I was hoping to find a way to "undo" this remedy myself.

Anita, why do you say so emphatically not to take a lower potency of the carc? Even my homeopath said that a 30c carc might take care of it, but she wouldn't be sure until she retook my case. Is there any danger in trying that?

Thanks,

Shirl

Sorry Anna! I called you Anita. I'm totally spaced right now.

Shirl

Hi Shirl,
Sorry about this mess. If both your homeopath and I agree that Carc 30C might undo this, I think it's worth a try; theoretically, a lower potency of the same remedy is supposed cause an antidote, and I have seen it happen.

Shirl, you have no idea how I am hounded and maligned on this BB because I prescribe low potencies so that I won't cause the kind of experience in someone else that you are experiencing now. They say I prescribe dangerously, that I put people at risk, that I'm irresponsible and disreputable; but you won't see any of them here now because they won't admit that this, what you have described above, is the real problem in homeopathy. I've been trying to show for the last 2 years how often it is stated in The Organon, the dangers of high potency prescribing, it is in the Organon, and even you have found it yourself, to your credit.

When I prescribe and I find a potency that is working and let's say for the sake of argument it's a 30C, and the 30C wears off, the next dose I prescribe is a 30C in water. If the 30C in water wears off, I make a 31C; I try to stay as close to what was working as possible and move up by steps rather than by leaps. You would be surprised how the water potency kicks in after the dry dose wears off, and how going up just one degree can make a remedy kick back in.

I have a patient now who told me how she had taken Ars. 30C some time ago and it worked wonderfully! When it wore off, she went to a 200C and had the most horrible aggravation imaginable with no amelioration to follow. I really think we have to learn the value of staying close to the potency that worked for as long as we can and not abandoning it at the drop of a hat in favor of a potency often 10 times higher.

So here we are with another situation where 2 people are vowing never to return to homeopathy, and I just wonder what it will take to get people to understand that we can't go before the public and present ourselves as the people who make you worse because it's good for you, a sign you're going to get better, and think we actually have the right to treat the public that way, and especially when Hahnemann says right in the Organon, in numerous paragraphs, but 161 if I have to name one, Don't cause an aggravation in chronic disease. And, which paragraph was it that you found, Shirl? 275? where he says, the right remedy, in too strong a dose, will impact precisely those organs that can bare excessive force the least? What's so hard about that concept?

I would hope that your unfortunate condition, and that of your husband's, if nothing else, might sound an alarm bell here that won't go unheeded.

Best of luck, Shirl!

Snoopy

[ 06. March 2003, 04:35: Message edited by: Snoopy ]

Shirl:

I am sorry to hear you are having problems. I hope you are able to get over these difficulties soon. I believe I know to some extent what you are going though and hope you do not end up like me. As you know I am not a homeopath but to me it sounds like you are in a very tricky situation so please proceed with caution.

Good luck, all the best and do take care.

[ 06. March 2003, 04:09: Message edited by: Frostbite ]

Thank you Snoopy and Frostbite! I appreciate your concern and all the replies I've gotten here. To be honest, I'm feeling like it's my fault this happened. I allowed my homeopath to give me a 1M dose even after seeing what happened to my husband last year. But I trusted her to be cautious and careful with my condition after discussing my fears with her. And I still do trust her...it's homeopathy I'm not sure I trust anymore. I certainly have a respect for it's ability to harm, but I have yet to see if it's equally able to cure.

Frostbite, are you any better? Is there nothing that can help you to recover your vital energy?

Perhaps the best thing for me is to do nothing. With so little agreement among practitioners, how is the patient to know who is right and who is wrong? And the last thing I want to do is to make this any worse than it is already.

Snoopy, you'll be glad to know that my husband is doing much better these days. He seems to be over the effects of the overdose, and has returned to his former pre-treatment condition. That after the antidote you recommended and months of acupuncture. So, essentially, we spent a whole year and about $1,000 for him to be made very sick and then return to what he was before starting treatment. It's a shame, because he was doing so much better before the overdose but now, of course, he will have nothing to do with homeopathy.

Anyway, thanks again for caring.

Shirl