Yes. Sorry Shirl. Hopefully the next modality you choose will be better suited to suit your individual predicaments.

All the best.

dear shirl

the reason i gave that advice is because carcinosin has had a strong effect on you in one potency, and to take it again in a different potency, without taking careful note of all your symptoms would have no reasonable ground and no guarantee of a good outcome; indeed it could bring more trouble.

Wow. I am TOTALLY amazed that no one commented on the thyroid medications the patient was taking daily.

The first thing: your homeopath would have told you to expect a change in the activity of your thyroid, and to work with your doctor to monitor for these changes so that your dosage--or meds-- could be adjusted. Was this done? I have a hard time believing the thyroid issue was not discussed in case taking...

Seems to me that the symptoms you suffered were side effects of the thryoid medication being taken daily. No wonder you couldn't tolerate it! The dosage must be adjusted as your body re-balances and the thyroid assumes its functions again. Working with your MD to monitor and adjust the meds as you change is absolutely crucial; when my patients tell me their MD won't agree to help them do this, I strongly advise them to find another MD who WILL help them accomplish the restoration of their health: usually, when a doctor is told to "shape up" in this way, they usually comply with their patient's requests, no matter what they think about homeopathy.

Even if you decide to antidote, this business of working with your doc to stop using those drugs is absolutely essential. I strongly urge you to begin this process with your MD as you continue to work with your homeopath.

If you choose not to continue with homeopathy, I hope, as Chris does, that you find another modality to work on your individual complaints.

[ 06. March 2003, 13:00: Message edited by: ChaChaHeels ]

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My bit of advice
Ars-alb LM (0/1 or 0/3) or 6c(if u cant get LM) three to 4 times a day till you feel ameliorated enough.
Then get back to the your homeopath for further treatment. Thyroid disorders have a very high cure rate with Homeopathy.

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You're all very kind and I feel encouraged today, especially after reading the recommendations regarding thyroid dose adjustment.

My homeopath did recommend monitoring my levels and dose throughout this process and my primary care dr did run a couple of labs, but my insurance is stingy about how many labs they will approve in a given period of time. So I'm not getting monitored as frequently as I need to.

I decreased my dosage of medication twice since getting the first remedy, but continued to feel bad and thought I had made a mistake so I increased it again twice in the last couple of months. The last two increases have intensified my symptoms and just last night I began to wonder if perhaps the remedy is, in fact, assisting my thyroid function and the medication is too much now.

What scares me is that my immune system is reacting so strongly to the medication. I thought the remedy was supposed to work on balancing out my immune system? If I react strongly to the medication, then I'll react the same way to my own thyroid function. That's why the allopathic treatment is to suppress thyroid function or remove the gland. So I was trying to get my dose of meds back up high enough to suppress my thyroid function. But maybe that's no longer an option since taking this remedy. I hope I don't end up in a state of not tolerating my meds but not having sufficient thyroid function on my own.

My homeopath did suggest lowering my thyroid dose again a few weeks ago, but I was scared to. Perhaps I've been unfair to her and should now follow through on her recommedation to see if the medication is in fact the problem.

I would love to be free of medication and have normal thyroid function. But what if my thyroid is too burned out or scarred to ever regenerate? Can the autoimmune component of the disease at least be cured at some point so that I'm not "allergic" to either my own thyroid hormone or the meds, in the event I need to stay on them for life?

This dialogue is very helpful to me in understanding the process. Maybe I don't have to give up on the homeopathy afterall.

Shirl

Miss Heels,

Thanks for making the observation about the Thyroid medication, it's always good when we have your insightful presence.

Shirl, Dr. Bhatia is another good choice for you if you want to email him privately and work something out with him, we've seen him here on the BB for a long time and he's demonstrated his expertise time and again.

Another thing I would bring up for general discussion regarding this case is Thyroidinum 6X once a day. This is supposed to stimulate the thyroid to function normally.

Shirl, homeopathy is not harmful, but patients can be harmed when homeopathy is used improperly, and this would include a failure to adjust Rx drugs as the patient has less need for them, so when the homeopath isn't an MD, and the actual MD is hostile to homeopathy, this can turn into a problem for the patient.

Again, I can recommend Dr. Bhatia, Dr. Leela,
Luc De Schepper and Timothy Dooley, as I stated above. I guess, Shirl, that it's no different in homeopathy than with finding a doctor in general.
People are very much at risk just by seeing an MD.
Doctors are the 4th leading cause of death in the United States, so in that context, continuing to search out a good homeopath and doing your own reading as you did with The Organon, will help you to recognize a good practitioner when you see one. But, again, it's not that homeopathy is harmful, it's that poor case management can be harmful--adjusting the Rx drugs, staying with the potency that works, going up in small degrees, knowing when to change the remedy, all these things have to be mastered for the sake of the patient, so, it's not as easy as it seems.

Snoopy

[ 06. March 2003, 20:48: Message edited by: Snoopy ]

Wouldn't Thyroidinum 6x be isopathy?

Snoopy, the problem I'm having is that whenever my thyroid works, the autoimmune response kicks in and I get sick. So stimulating my thyroid function is the worst thing I can do until my immune system is balanced out and it no longer attacks my thyroid simply for functioning.

I was hoping the homeopathy would deal with that problem, but it doesn't seem to have as I'm sitting here now with my thyroid swollen and that flu-like feeling I get whenever I have thyroiditis. That would be the first thing that needs to be corrected before stimulating my thyroid to function.

Any thoughts on that?

Shirl

I don't see why, if Shirl is putting out a symptom picture, she shouldn't be getting a remedy that fits it. But, as she has a homeopath, I'm reluctant to intrude and say, "Give me your case; tell us your symptoms." Plus, I think she would be better off with Dr. Leela or Dr. Bhatia as I suspect they have experience with this condition.

Snoopy

[ 07. March 2003, 04:07: Message edited by: Snoopy ]

Doesn't make much sense to suggest or prescribe the sarcode Thyroidinum in an attempt to stimulate the gland without knowing what type of Thyroiditis you're dealing with. At least not in the name of responsible homeopathy. Maybe it's just easier to blame it all on the potency used, but considering the dose was administered 4 months ago I'd be more inclined to look at the symptom complex Carcinosin was intended to cure.

This case really does speak to the issue of compliance between patient and practitioner. If it ain't there, you don't have a case.