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Old 5th March 2003, 04:57 AM
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Hi everyone,

I found something very intersting in my second interview with this patient.

As suggested by many people regarding the themes of overachievement, overambitious, reproach, lack of confidence etc probably all could have fit to some extent. But the change has been there only since past few months so there must be something to precipitate it or something else. I kept probing..neither the patient was able to give anything nor was I able to pick anything unusual.

Then I asked ."Have you taken any medicine/treatment in the last couple of months?"

Answer - "Medicine! No I have not taken any. But couple of months back while preparing my research papers, I had started feeling very fatigued. Then a friend of mine who knows some homeopathy had given me some tonic for that. I took it for about a week. Felt fine after that, so discontiued. Apaprt from that I have not taken any medicine."

Q - "What was that tonic?"

A - "I do not know. It was clear alcohol like liquid. I used to take 10 drops mixed in water twice a day."

Q - "Have you ever felt similarly before that?"

A - "No. These strange feelings have cropped up only after I submitted my research papers, approximately 10 days after I took that tonic."

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I made the patient call her friend to ask what was given to her and guess what? She had taken Acid-Phos mother tincture for a week!! Suddenly everything fell in place. There had been no change in her life, work, priorities etc. Most likely she has been proving this medicine. There have been some other symptoms to suggest that.

Of all the rubrics and themes suggested, acid phos comes up in many of them. Infact the first suggestion I recd on posting this was ONLY for acid phos (by Geir, aka GM).

I have given the person a dose of acid-phos 1M to antidote the effect of mother tincture. I am waiting for the results. Will share with you how things develop.

Thanks everyone.
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Old 5th March 2003, 05:50 AM
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Bravo, Dr. B!

I have to tell you, when you came to us for advice about a case, I got worried! But, you came through in the end!

Since this is a proving, what have we learned here about Phosphoric Acid that we didn't already know?

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Old 5th March 2003, 08:14 AM
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Hi Snoopy,

We still need to wait for the results to be sure that this is really a proving. Till we get final results, it is a premise that I am working on.

And...there are so many good homeopaths here, many more experienced and better than me...it never harms to ask. I learnt so much by sharing this with everyone. Many new ways to look at things, many new ideas about old medicine. Ideas...that I have not been able to use in this case but may prove helpful at some other time in some other case.
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Old 5th March 2003, 10:46 AM
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A quotation fromTinus Smits (Netherlands) - WWW.tinussmits.com/english/inspiring/carcinosinum

He writes under "development of the carc picture from the essence"
The Carc patient has a very low self esteem and fundamental lack of self confidence combined with weak defenses. Therefore he is very sensitive to everything that can undermine his self confidence .... One way to survive is adaptation and avoidance of criticism ...
...this person can also try to nourish his confidence by seeking approbation by being brilliant. He feels ill at ease with people that are as good as him. ... This can push him to very great heights, working continuously to stay on top and having no other interests in life. We fel the big ego problem that is manifesting, but what manifests itself as a big ego outside, is in fact a weak ego inside.

This is perhaps worth thinking about in your case.
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Hello.
I just had a very quick scan of your case dr_ bhatia and the thoughts of other replies (I don't have much time at the moment to look into it more), however the first medicine that came to mind was VERATRUM - DEL: DUMB - single symptom. Another thing that led me to it is possibly that you mention that they are successful - ie VERAT despair of position they may have in society - and focusing on what he did not have(qualitively)- Plus DEL:wealth. Am I looking into it too much when you mention "self improvement" - maybe the image VERAT tries to portray as somebody more than they are? Also FEELS HE IS UNLUCKY in regards to him looking on the negative side.I hope this helps.Gottago,Zoe.
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Good one Luzie, thanks!

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A good one????!!!! Indeed, but somehow lagging behind development. I didn't take the time to read all the answers. Let's file it under the heading "wrong time, wrong place, but well-meant".
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Dr. B.: This is very interesting and we all prune to learn of this case if it has been an experimentation. In the study of the AFADH of this remedy, Acid-phos the principal themes are:

Psychic - physical depletion.
Sadness.
Idea fixes for his condition of weak, incapable man.
Carried away, it is vex, is opposed, gets angry.
It seems to us that his lack, expressed only under the form of auto- reproach, is represented by the pride.
He believed that everything could extract the alone one, which was strong, it is separated of the Eden and everything is wasted in sexual, intellectual excesses, movements, words, it that it was possessing.
His fragility is reflected in his sensation that others know what is.
Weak person sits down, without resources, mocked, deceived.
The auto I exile patient has set him immersed in the vulnerability to fall down.
Sad, disheartened, walking outdoors.
In his house this condition is improved, when more it walks, more it worsens.
Phosphoric Acid's lack, it is to go into exile of the place in where he must respect the natural law.
One cannot reproach this.
There is in him the desire to go out of the natural laws.
It goes out of his house and falls down I fall ill, it sits the need to return to his house, but it experiences the desire to go out again.

The study is extensive enough, but these they would be the themes on which it turns the remedy according to this hypothesis. It would be very important to be able to verify that really, these themes appear in an experimentation of the remedy.
Luck and thanks for sharing the development of this case.
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Dr. B
"Of all the rubrics and themes suggested, acid phos comes up in many of them."
If you yourself saw acid phos symptoms in this patient that may have been present before she took the acid phos and this person was given acid phos tinture then she didn't have provings but rather a strong aggravation because of too low a potency. I would have gone to a 200C rather than to the 1M.
Just a thought.
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Hi Everyone,

Today the patient called from Delhi to tell how it went. Here is the update I just recd -

"Immediately after taking that medicine that day, I developed a very severe pain in my right eye. It have never felt anything like this before. It was as if my eye was being pressed very forcefully. The pain decreased in a couple of hours. Along with the pain in my eye, I also felt that the pain in my back was also decreasing simiultaneously. There was a very strange feeling in my back as if I could 'feel' the pain going away. When I woke up next morning, I had no pain in my eye and my back. The back was totally relieved.

It has been nearly 10 days since that medicine and I have been feeling much better. I seem to have regained my confidence. I am working full steam for my research projects and those strange feelings do not seem to bother me any more. I seem to have found my old self again. My energy levels are great and people around me are noticing the change too."

- what about that feeling of 'I know nothing' and 'dwarfishness'?

"Well! those feelings were very uncharacteristic of me. I just do not know why I was feeling that way. But since past week or so the thoughts have not troubled me even once. At the moment all I want is to keep working, fulfill my dreams and right now i feel confident enough to do that. I have been sleeping better too since past few days.. I will call you up again before I leave for UK. Thanks"

Well! So I guess the premise was right.
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