Hi All, Hope you're staying warm. It's sooo cold here!

I have friends with a 7 week old girl, approaching her 1st scheduled shot. Both my children have not been poked, after much research i did. I have passed on a ton of info to my friends, ingredients lists, personal horror stories (a whole stack) of vaccine damaged children, and other articles pertaining to homeopathic treatment of the illnesses themselves.

Because they are both health care aids, they are leaning toward the needles, reason being that their workplace is not obligated to let the staff know of the sicknesses that people have, and being in such close contact, etc. etc.

I have read back last year some time about the homeopathic vaccinations, "not homeopathy at all", and there seems to be much conflicting opinion on this.

What I am hoping to find are personal testimonies of parents who have chosen to not vaccinate, and have treated with homeopathics, and/or used these nosodes I've heard about, and also, some more opinions of course. This is such an interest for me.

Any good links of personal testimonies I could check out would be helpful, and statistics of any kind. Where do you find vaccine damage stats? The public 'health' nurse has really scared them with the pile of horror stories of diseases that we are 'immunized' for to avoid. I suggested that's what she's being paid to do.

I'm also looking for reassurance. This is such a touchy subject with parents. Is most of this continent so conditioned, that they won't even consider alternatives?



Warm Regards,
Shauna
Winnipeg

Hi Shauna,

You've come to the right place! If you click on "Search" at the top of the page and type in
"vaccinations", all our previous discussions on this subject should come up. We have discussed this extensively, we've posted links to important sites, and you'll find some very insightful messages, I'm sure!

My child is 10 now, she's received only one vaccine--as I didn't know any better--the
Hepatitis B vaccine the day after she was born, and when I eventually found out that the only way you can get this disease is through unprotected sex and needle-sharing, I was furious!

We have remedies for all these diseases that children get vaccinated for--measles, chicken pox,
whooping cough...not only that, but if you know that a disease is in your area or in the school and you want to protect your child, you can give the "nosode", which is like a vaccine, only homeopathically prepared. So, if there's whooping cough in the school, give your child
the whooping cough nosode, which is Pertussin;
Pertussin 30C two or three doses a day for one day.

If a week or so later the child seems ill and you think he may have contracted the disease, give again Pertussin 30C two or three times. If actual symptoms of Whooping Cough are discernable, you have to give the indicated remedy, which is most often, but not always,
Drosera. Hopefully you will have therapeutic homeopathic books to guide you, or an actual homeopath to consult with.

Snoopy

Shauna,

It's me again. I just tried doing a search for "Vaccinations" and all our discussions are gone! I would ask anyone else out there who may be reading this, is it just me, or are you having the same problem with the "search" feature that I'm having? I'd hate to have to start the whole discussion on vaccines over again when so much should be already available.

Snoopy

Hi Snoopy

Search for vaccination in Discussion 2002 and lots comes up.

Dear Shauna,

Since both parents are health workers they probably had all the vaccinations. Maybe they could get a blood test done to test antibodies in the baby. She may have received them through her parents. That may make the parents feel better. Worth a try I would think given all the knowledge that is now available on side effects. If had to do it all over again, I would not have had my kids vaccinated.

jay

and here are a couple sites to get you going

http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html
http://justsayno2vaccines.naturesfar...m/nosodes.html

[ 23. February 2003, 19:27: Message edited by: jayj ]

Dear Members

I have to speak out loud against careless advice given here!!
A member of this board advised in an earlier post:
Quote:
>>So, if there's whooping cough in the school, give your child
the whooping cough nosode, which is Pertussin;
Pertussin 30C two or three doses a day for one day.<<

This is a dangerous procedure!
I have come across cases, where by this procedure perfectly healthy children were made artificially sick, and stayed so for a considerably length of time.

Taking the Pertussinum Nosode does NOT protect against getting the whoopingcough.

Quote:
>> If a week or so later the child seems ill and you think he may have contracted the disease, give again Pertussin 30C two or three times.<<

This is a gross misinterpretation on this practitioners side!

This situation is a involuntary proving of the product and does not mean that the child has contracted the whooping-cough at all.

The Member must be aware of this when writing:
>> If actual symptoms of Whooping Cough are discernable, you have to give the indicated remedy, which is most often, but not always,
Drosera.<<

I would ask this member to give us her real name, so that we know who we are dealing with.

I condemn in the strongest possible way this ill-fated advice and want to point out, that this procedure is in breach of all basic homeopathic principles and rules.

__________________
Hans Weitbrecht
Consultant Homeopath

Hans,

This is Robin Murphy's advice, I'm a student in his school, which is a reputable school--The Hahnemann Acad. of North America; Robin is the former head of the homeopathy dept. at The National College of Naturopathic Medicine in Oregon, America's foremost Naturopathic college, where Andre Saine attended, in fact Robin was Andre's teacher; so, eventhough you may disagree and you might have a point, still, the advice is not from an amateur or a person with no or little experience.

Snoopy

Hans,

Do you have PRINCIPLES OF PRESCRIBING by Mathur?
Page 413, "Indications of the Nosodes". What I'm about to quote is essentially the same as what I was taught by Dr. Murphy:
***
1. For prophylaxis--Dr. Wheeler recommends that in epidemics, the corresponding nosode in the 30th potency will protect for at least a fortnight. ... For prevention of Smallpox--Variolinum; Whooping Cough--Pertussin; Measles--
Morbillinum; for Diphtheria--Diphtherinum, etc.
***

The chapter goes on to say that the nosode is appropriate when the patient: has not been well since a certain illness, like the flu, whooping cough, etc.;
when the indicated remedy does not act well;
at the beginning of treatment when the symptoms do not point to a specific remedy (as I said above);
the indicated remedy doesn't hold;
when the patient has the picture of the nosode; and
when convalescence is slow.

This is exactly what I was taught, and here it is
in PRINCIPLES OF PRESCRIBING, I can only assume that it must be accepted practice.

Snoopy

Snoopy
May I ask you: Has Robin Murphy proven Pertussinum himself? Has Matur proven pertussinum himself? Has Wheeler and Bach proven Pertussinum themselves? Do you have a reliable source of proving of Pertussinum?
Do you know, that the remedy provided by your pharmacy is from the same donor where you take your information off?

If any you answer to any of these questions is yes, then prove it.

If you answer these questions with no, then you are the one telling people to take remedies of which no-one at the present time knows what they are excactly doing. If you don't know what a remedy actually does, you cannot aply it homeopathically as homeopathy cures by symptom similitude. Furthermore--if you apply remedies to healthy persons, then all what you get is a proving, because ther is nothing to cure.

why don't you tell then the truth:
I suggest you should take a remedy, of which we don't know what it does-- it may even harm you. We hope, that taking this remedy may protect you against whoopingcough, even though we have no good reason to believe it does, as we do not know this remedies effects.

__________________
Hans Weitbrecht
Consultant Homeopath

My Dear Hans,

I quoted from a reputable source. Mathur's book is required reading by the School of Homeopathy in Devon, I know because I used to be a student there and that's why I have it. If you want to take issue with 2 reputable schools of homeopathy, that's fine, your case is not without merit; but you have been depicting me as irresponsible when I have only been passing on what I have learned from some of our best teachers.

Snoopy

Snoopy,

Don't assume it's an accepted practise. Others are saying it is not. But, you rely on one man -- and one book to support your 'advice'.

Oh, and Mathur's book is NOT on the School of Homeopathy's booklist. It's not even on the "OTHER-BOOKS" (i.e. OPTIONAL) book list - books that aren't required for the coursework but may be of interest to students.

Why don't you stop and think about what you are doing instead of taking everything in without scrutinizing it.

Stop and CRITICALLY synthesize (digest) the material you read and refer too and see if it matches up with what the Organon says.

And realise that these are real people asking questions. And any advice or answers they get will have an impact on them.