My dog was recently diagnosed with a sarcoma in her neck and leg. The oncologist told us even with complete amputation, radiation and chemo, she may only live another year at best. We opted for an angiogenic treatment that will cut off the blook supply to the tumor and a low grade chemo drug that hopefully won't make her sick. She's on 8.5 mg of Feldene and 10 mg of Cytoxan per day. They said that these treatments won't save her but may cut off the tumor growth and help with the pain in the next six months before she dies.

We've done an MRI and the tumor is very large and has lots of fingers. It's not encapsulated and it appears that a lymph node may be involved but they are not sure. It didn't show up on x-rays when we took her in for a slight limp. As the tumor has grown, so has her limp. The oncologist said this is very unusual because of the location and there was no way to really feel the tumor until it got a lot bigger.

Anyway, I'm not ready to give up hope yet and I'm interested in trying some homeopathic options to shrink the tumor. Does anyone have any suggestions? Please e-mail me with any thoughts.

Thank you,
Dog Lover kari.white@attbi.com

I hope our resident animal people see your post and try to help. Two of my dogs died of cancer so I know how you feel. It's very hard to let go.
Very devastating. I hope you get some good advice here.

Snoopy

My sympathies with your dog. Please find some suitbale animal forum and post your mail there



You can also get help on this forum

http://www.homeopathyhome.com/ultima...?ubb=forum;f=5

But the moderator of this forum is not a specialist in treating animal diseases. So can also post at some other forum too.

You can find help at

www.hpathy.com
http://www.extendedyears.com/homeopathy/h_forum.html

[ 16. February 2003, 06:24: Message edited by: Stranger ]

Dear Dog-Lover,

I plan to write a reply to your question at the vet section.
Just I have to divide my time between tasks and forums and threads I have become involved in here. And since a five-minute-piece won't do, I have to postpone that a bit.

In the meantime, to do something useful and not to sit idle, but get some insight already, I recommend you do a few things:

(1) You MUST search for the best homoeo-vet available to you, because NO-ONE here, with the best of intentions, can seriously attempt to do such a treatment via forum posts. You must be an expert for this kind of task, be reliably available, spend a LOT of time on the patient, have information of all sorts, which to assemble costs HOURS already etc.
EVERYTHING BUT a very experienced vet, homoeopath worth of the name, i.e. stubbornly traditional classical, with specific experience of treating Ca cases, is just a waste of hope, money, and energy.

(2) You can read on the HHBB here:

- search the archives by keyword "ca" for bits of information, to already get some impression, if what you find does not rather seem confusing to you ( then leave it for the time being ).
- the oldest vet posts give you a good impression in general what serious treatment looks like, and what an awful lot of information and deliberation is needed.
- for general encouragement: I have described bad ca cases cured in an earlier vet section post for a cat case ( which was meant to be uplifting, but never read ). That thread was entitled "My cat has FIP ...", sometime in Jan this year.

-->> That may be the best to start with, just to give you some well-founded, though cautious hope.

// For now:

(a) For the vet section, if perhaps you have to search for the info in your papers for a while:
has your vet given a precise classification of the ca acc to diagnosis ? There are international conventions how to classify them, acc. to type, place, and stage. Knowing this makes it a lot clearer what one is talking about. It's sort of an international medical language, with quite precise vocabulary.

(b) They are right with being modest in their treatments:
- surgery is a homoeopath's nightmare
- radiation is a horror
- modest chemo is no obstacle, makes a better prognosis
- on that angio thing I feel I cannot comment.

(c) You are not going to collect all sort of people's ideas to remedies that may perchance help, and then try them on your dog. With that you would be going to bloody mess up the case, and your homoeopath, if you find one really up to the task, would pull you by the ears for a couple of hours, and so would I in their case.
And if you ever try some sort of combo, high doses etc on the poor beast, then good night.
Sorry for being blunt, but it can save a lot at times.

-->> Please understand that what you are hoping and asking for is the COMPLETE opposite of any hobby herbalist's service, but a piece of work of highest skills: like say a master violinist, an accident victims surgery professional, that sort of level, and not a bit below. Homoeopathy is a demanding form of medicine, and the one that is going to be THE medicine in the future, but only if taken most seriously by everyone.

I hope I did not scare you, but if - and only if - you approach it in the right way, then homoeopathy can do a lot of good, including in some quite advanced Ca cases.

Kind Regards,

Panthera

[ 17. February 2003, 12:30: Message edited by: panthera-non-onca ]

Where in the heck did this happen? Please post link to this case; I have yet to find a survivor...

Dear "Save my Dog" my sympathies to your plight, although homeopathy can eleviate much suffering and can in fact cure many conditions, the fact that cancer has spread (they can not amputate the neck -hence the poor prognosis) and caused extensive tissue damage is not very encouraging.

Problem would definitly be in finding a compatant homeopath, personally I feel even with the best of help, the best you might hope for is the ease of suffering and easy passing for your cherished pet. I would urge you to seek homeopathic help privately, as this is no case that will be successfully resolved without one-on-one consultation, the homeopath should be able to see the patient in person.

A second problem is the allopathic treatments being done in tandom. This will greatly harbour any positive effect homeopathy may offer. Upon consult with a homeopath you may need to make the decision to stop or curb allopathic treatment.

I'm sorry I can't tell you everything will be fine, but I can tell you that life threatening situations in many of our animals have been "handled" by homeopathic treatment. That is to say; the condition is never cured but the animal is comfortable and still living. I refer here specifically of "Maggie" a cat who was diagnosed with extensive heart damage and should have died within 3 months of diagnosis. At this crisis we treated her homeopathically and later did add an allopathic drug to control her heart rhythms as the damage to heart can never be repaired. She is happy and living with us for 1 1/2 years now, we are however prepared for the inevitable.

Best wishes!

Hi everyone -

I want to thank all of you for taking the time to read about my dog's cancer and helping me in my search of information. I know now that this is obviously not something that I could, nor would want to attempt on my own so I have started to try to locate a homeopathic vet.

Thank you all for your wishes and thoughts and I will update you if we have any good results.

Kari

Kari,

A word of advise; Homeopathic vets are kind of like NDs; they are split between many different treatments. Find a good, classical human homeopath who know what a LM potency is!

I would like to take this case as an opportunity to discuss carc. This remedy/nosode is often abitrarily prescribed in "cancer" cases. Why? Is this not a form of Isopathy? Cancer symptoms will overlap in every living being, we should not prescribe on common symptoms rather the peculiar. On another post (I believe it was Christian) it was stated never to give nosodes for the specific disease. I would like to hear some views on this...

2) kkrista,

I am not prepared to accept that sort of tone in a post, neither here nor anywhere else, no matter from whom and for what reason.

You are free to believe what you choose to,
you are equally free to disply your lack of knowledge in public, and in what way you want, if I am not concerned,
but you are not going to ever write a word addressed at me in that sort of style again. Mark that.

Now to the topic, in very brief:

"Where the heck did that happen...?"
- Apart from the stylistic level, which I am not familiar with, it was not even clear to me what precisely you were meaning.

If you meant on what thread, then I thought I gave the name of it, so that it was easy to locate within five minutes perhaps. In case you noticed that I wrote two very long posts on this questioner's issue, which takes a long time, as you may be able to imagine, I thought it must be plausible that I had no interest in typing out the complicated link to that place where I mentioned these cases, just to save you 5 minutes, when I spent as many hours here, for no apparent gain. If that was the problem, then don't be so lazy.

This question here was posted on two threads, and first respondents recommendet looking at the vet section, so I posted my second post on this there, in the thread of the same name, and there I did indeed take the trouble and additional time to provide a direct link to this here, so that both could easily be read together, if anyone wished so.

In case you meant rather "where such healing took place", or where it was documented:
What I was referring to was from the medical literature, that means in this case a journal of best repute, aimed at strictly class.homoeopathic physicians, if ever you held such thing in your hands, circulation ca. 2000 issues per copy, according to the publisher, which by the way is also editing countless serious books on homoeopathy, including textbooks the likes of which I bet you have never heard of, MD dissertations on homoeopathy, and above all the first-ever editions of Hahnemann's manuscripts. That's for my source.
I did not claim that was in your part of the world, or in your language, if you are prepared to belief that the peak of homoeopathy is outside your continent.

I had mailed the very same cases in some detail to a lady ( in Canada, btw ) end of December, who on one homoeo-list desperately asked for chances her dog with an ugly tumour could be saved etc, and that person fell over herself in her replies thanking that a complete stranger would take the time etc etc. And we stayed in touch, and I continued explaining things to her, as far as I could, while she had already found a good class. hom . vet to take the case himself, online. That was a large tumour, not a ca. in strict sense. Latest news were the tumour had disappeared ...
I have even put that correspondence online for interested readers ( with permision, of course ); I won't tell you where, you sure will understand I won't possibly have a person with your manners turn up on a place I have put so many hours of work and enthusiasm into, even as a silent reader, wiil you not ?
And why should I take so much time and spell out the same cases again in a rather mediocre place like this ?

- Re: "I have yet to find a survivor"...

...again left the potential reader guessing.
Perhaps probably that was an outburst of frustration with experience or news of creatures dying from ca, and you so far only had heard miraculous stories, but whenever it was close to you, they never happened, or something like that. So if I got that right - I said you left us guessing - that sort of frustration and probably pain as such would be understandable. But that is no excuse.
If you are seriously interested, I have posted some bits on ca on this board already, though I am only a short-time contributor, including on ca nosodes and the thinking behind using them, treatment statistics and names, and so have others perhaps, and I think you know how to locate one's posts - at least that is what I did with a few individuals here and elsewhere, have a look at the archives what sort of thing they had written. -

No-one ever justly claimed Ca treatment was easy, in fact it takes a specialist's knowledge on top of decades of experience and a good understanding of the CD in general, to have a good number of lasting successes; that may explain the lack of evidence you had witnessed yourself; and advanced stages cases are very hard indeed even for the most experienced.

What I use as examples sometimes is from homoeo-medical literature, journals often, for good reason, because they are no-fool literature, if from a reputed publisher, double checked with peer review and readers' letters, sometimes hotly debated. And the docs who publish there are obliged to keep their records right, for legal and insurance finance reasons alone, they can't invent stories out of nothing, not in these parts of Europe at least.
There is no law that forbids you to study a good deal of homoeopathic and medical literature. If you do not, then make no proclamations on the basis of such lack.

At one point your displayed lack of knowledge here on this very thread becomes outright dangerous. You proclaim in public, to be read by any ignorant reader, and possibly taken as the wisdom it wishes to be, but is the opposite of,
- that allopathic medication will always interfere with homoeopathic remedies, is always dangerous, and therefore the owner HAD to make a decision of "either-or", i.e. in your ill-guided opinion drop the allo-drugs alltogether.
That is based on your belief, i.e. ideology of sorts. It is in most clear contrast to the knowledge and experience of top homoeopaths. Can you imagine that countries exist, these days, where homoeopaths and standart-medics cooperate peacefully, esp. in Ca treatment, and the Standart procedure, worked out after so many cases, is to use both, to the best of their statistics ?
And if you had behaved yourself, and be prepared to hire a translator, since not everyone in the world lives in a former British colony and hence some may dare to use another language even for medical communication, it would have been easy to point you to all sources required.

You ought to be ashamed of your ignorance in that area, that nobody would be scolded for as such, but if you let yourself be guided by it to such statements with possibly dangerous consequences, it is you-know what and you ought to be banned from making such statements on a place like this.

I make it a principle to answer back;
in any case this is the last on this thread, and the last time I ever spend a single minute on your person. I feel you are stealing my time, and not a small amount of it, which is invaluable, and which I am not in a habit to throw away. I had planned to spend it on top quality list posts, other cases ( "I am waiting for you ... Thank youuuuu..." ), and friends. I find this board definitely sub-standart, all in all, and regret I started posting on it at all.

If ever, I would only continue this topic on the vet section.

No regards, disgust as disgust can be,

Panthera

[ 18. February 2003, 17:53: Message edited by: panthera-non-onca ]

[ 19. February 2003, 00:03: Message edited by: kkrista ]