Hello,

I just received an email re the preliminary report of saliva/hair samples that were submitted to a lab using what is called a BodyScan. Will get the full report tomorrow but for now the information is only that it shows there is cancer but nothing more specific than that at this time.

The suggestion was to "follow Ramakrishnan's plussing protocol using Aloe Scot 200C alternating with Carc 200C or Scirrhinum 200C (only if palpable hard tumor is detected)." I don't quite know what that sentence means, at this time. I don't know if the BodyScan selected the possible remedies or if someone at the lab did, as I have no knowledge of it at all.

I know this protocol has been discussed on the BB before but would like to ask at this time if anyone has had experience using it (I'm somewhat familiar with the dosing repetitiveness/timing) and if so, what was the outcome.

I also wonder if anyone has had any experience with results given by what is called a BodyScan.

I will post more, asking for your help, when I get the whole report, in case anyone might have advice. I just wondered if anyone had any personal experience with the Ramakrishnan method or with the reliability of the BodyScan in determining the disease.

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I don't know anything about the body scan. If you think you might have cancer, I would go to the very best oncologist I could find and get a complete workup and diagnosis. Even if you use homeopathy exclusively, it is important to know exactly what you are dealing with if you have cancer.

I've used Ramakrishnan's method twice with excellent results. In both cases, the people did not use any allopathic treatment. Also, the daughter of a friend of mine went to him and had a very positive experience. I'd suggest getting his book and reading about the protocol. If it is for yourself, he does travel to Canada and the US several times a year and I assume he travels to other countries, too. If I were diagnosed with cancer, I would probably choose to be treated by him, particularly if it were in the early stages.

Also, being dense and obtuse as I am, I needed some help in getting started with the protocol. When I called his office, they were very nice about pointing me in the right direction. I had the book in front of me and we went over some of the information on the phone until I felt comfortable with it.

[ 15. January 2003, 06:18: Message edited by: sreischman ]

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Shirley Reischman

Shirley, I didn't intend to be misleading. My apology. The report is on my cat, Julio. His case is on the Pet Forum. I came back to edit my original post as I think there was a typo error from the lab. I don't see any Aloe Scot...just Aloe (Socotrine). And to add that the report wasn't about me....I'm sorry it looked that way. Thank you for your concern and for relaying your experiences. Julio is worsening rather quickly (took two plus weeks to get this report which I did in order to try to keep him from having to go to the vet....guess he will have to go anyway).

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Cancer is often a one sided disease. It also often has no symptoms until it is advanced. It needs to be staged. This will help in determining the posology. Because of the often times lack of symptoms, knowing the organ can help eliminate remedies. This doesn't mean that classical homeopathy doesn't work with cancer. It does. But since you may not have any subjective symptoms, how will you know your remedy is working. It's often one fo those situations where periodic allopathic testing can give you a lot of information.

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The bodyscan machine is something I've seen someone use in the past. It does give up some information in terms of where to look for problems using real diagnositic tests--but its "remedy selections" using homeopathic remedies is something I would just ignore. Yes, the Aloes Scot. is a reference to Aloes socotrina.
I still wouldn't use it in the case, unless it actually was prescribed using the proper homeopathic method. Why? It will not work, and it may very likely harm.

I have a friend who was treated by Dr. Ramakrishnan when she came down with cancer of the pancreas. At the time, Dr. Ramakrishnan had not published his book, which is to be used by homeopathic physicians to treat their own patients--in other words, an application of his method, with hands-on, real case management and real, live, cast-taking. My friend contacted Dr. Ramakrishnan and did essentially and telephone and email case taking; he visited her in Canada a few months after treating her with the chosen remedies and protocol, sight-unseen.

Unfortunately, his remedy selection was correct but his potency selection turned out to be quite extreme, which ultimately caused a turn for the worse in her treatment. The problem could have been avoided if he had seen her in person, as he did significantly alter the potency for all her other remedies after finally meeting her in person. By that time, however, his protocol did help her to outlive her prognosis by 150%...but "in a crunch" the blind potency selection for a good remedy actually hastened her demise at a stage where her treatment could have taken a much more healing turn. She was very grateful to the Dr. anyway, and thought very highly of him. It is unfortunate she didn't have the opportunity to see him in person from the beginning, and undergo regular care with him, as I'm sure she would still be with us!

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I'm curious as to why anyone would think this.

[ 15. January 2003, 14:24: Message edited by: ChaChaHeels ]

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From my notes when I attended his seminar:-
THE PLUSSING DOSE IS AS FOLLOWS:

THE PLUSSING DOSE IS AS FOLLOWS.

TAKE 3 PILLS OF THE REMEDY PRESCRIBED FOR THE 1ST WEEK, MIX IT IN
11 TEASPOONS OF WATER AN STIR IT VIGOROUSLY. TAKE 1 SPOON OF
THE MIXTURE ONCE IN 15 MINUTES X 10 TIMES AND LEAVE BEHIND
ONE SPOON TO BE CARRIED OVER TO THE NEXT DAY. NEXT DAY TO THE
REMAINING 1 SPOON OF THE MIXTURE ADD 10 SPOONS OF WATER AND STIR.
TAKE 1 SPOON ONCE IN 15 MINUTES X 10 TIMES AND LEAVE BEHIND 1 SPOON.
SIMILARLY THE SAME PROCEDURE TO BE FOLLOWED THROUGH OUT THE WEEK.

2ND WEEK - TAKE 3 PILLS OF REMEDY PRESCRIBED FOR THAT WEEK,
MIX IT IN 11 TEASPOONS OF WATER AND TAKE 1 SPON ONCE IN
15 MINUTES X 10 TIMES. NEXT DAY FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURE
AS 1ST WEEK.

SIMILARLY FOR THE 3RD & 4TH WEEK SAME PROCEDURE TO BE FOLLOWED.
IT CAN BE TAKEN ON ANY PART OF THE DAY AND DURING THE PROCESS OF TAKING THE MEDICINE NO SOLID FOOD TO BE TAKEN. YOU CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO DRINK INBETWEEN EXCEPT COFFEE, TEA OR ALCOHOL.

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Jesus Christ GPM - Next time put in the post that it is for your cat and not you!

I am sorry for dear Julio but you scares the bejeesus outta me.

40 lashes with snoopy's wet noodle.

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Sorry, Sis.

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Thank you all for such helpful information!

I received the report for the BodyScan ("machine name is BodyScan 2010) test of the kitty's saliva and hair samples and am still trying to digest what to do with the small part of it that I can comprehend. I think a number of members have posted about similar vibrational/energy type testing before. I didn't understand it even then. What I gather is the "machine" is able to identify, within 5 meridians, areas that that most responded to the energy/vibration. It then gives recommendations of homeopathic remedies, nutrients and flower essences to consider. There is also a list of (in this report) of 7 "dis-ease" or condition names that were produced by the scan. During the phone consult, the person who did the tests, who advised she is a homeopath, did not suggest using the remedies the scan selected but two different ones based on her evaluation and administered as per Ramakishnan's method.

She explained that the "diseases" are not necessarily current conditions. She said (and this isn't a quote because I was in a bit of a mental mess trying to grasp all the information) that because the method is energy (or vibrational?) the hair and saliva will give a history of all conditions/imbalances, past or present.

I have to admit to not being able to assimilate so much of this! I made a note of remedies, given within a day of taking the samples, thinking that may have altered or been reflected in the scan . She said that though the samples were taken 10 days before they were tested (they were mailed and she didn't do them immediately) they would have reflected his condition or state at "the time they were scanned", not the time they were taken. Huh? So, I then (still in a fog) asked if she were to receive new samples, now that he is in what I think is a different state, would that be reflected in the scan. She advised that no further samples would ever have to be taken. The samples she already has, if scanned again would register differently than the last and would be reflective of any imbalances at that moment in time while scanning.....how he was, currently as the test was done.

At that point I asked if she danced naked on the full moon. I actually did ask her that! She was delightfully nice and laughed. (It does present interesting ideas....maybe scanning long dead people's hair samples, to see how they fared after death? But I didn't say that to her!)

I really don't know what to make of all this. I think this kind of testing might have some real value, particularly when treating animals who aren't able to give us any of the sensations or types of pain "words" or a lot of the information so helpful to evaluate or select a remedy.

She explained the imbalance may be either too much or too little, that has to be determined without the machine, that it only guides toward imbalances. She attended homeopathy college in London, went (don't know if completed either) to medical school and did an about face when she was introduced to this method. She is fully aware, she said, that it is frowned upon by classical homeopaths. It is certainly a wonderfully non invasive way to test for imbalances (different than the data numbers from regular blood screening) compared to hauling frightened animals to clinics and being poked and prodded for blood/urine tests that often aren't sufficient anyway. And it was a far cry from the normal delivery of a curt phone call from the vet's office, saying something like...."the test shows positive for AIDS". Never including any advice for care. If dare question them, you know well that you are taking too much of their time! This was certainly marvelous by comparison.

I should add that this is a regular "human" clinic where the testing and consultations are hours long and I am sure the test reports would be much more lengthy and involved. I think, since she only had hair and saliva to test and it was done as a courtesy, it was a less complicated/complete process, as this didn't have a lot of detailed information such as every mineral level in the body, for instance.....that kind of thing which would probably be part of a full (hooked up to the machine) kind of scan.

I don't have Dr. Ramakishnan's book but have been told that he always uses the 200C potency. Is this true, do you know? I am very unsure of what to do about all this!

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