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Old 8th January 2003, 05:45 AM
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In a post on another thread, there is mention of homoeopathic vaccines being regulated in Australia.

Can any Aussie practitioner please tell me what the **** these are?

I have an idea, but I would like clarification, because the questions I am getting from the general public in Oz have nothing to do with my understanding of homoeopathic prophylaxis.
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Dear Simone,

homoeopathic vaccines are potentised versions of the orthodox vaccines.

Sometimes, when homoeopaths do homoeopathic vaccination, they are talking about using nosodes to stimulate the immune system (morbillinum, pertussin etc.).
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Old 9th January 2003, 12:54 PM
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From the enquiries I get, it would seem that the Australian public are being told that these "vaccines" are a viable alternative for the allopathic vaccines.

My understanding was that these potenised versions were used isopathically to treat the side effects of vaccines.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about these issues. Perhaps you might suggest to the AHA that they issue a statement on their web site (if they have not already done so)?

Thank you for taking the time to reply.
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Unfortunately there is a strong movement in Australia to use homoeopathic vaccinations or homeoprophylaxis. There is no question to my understanding of the fundamentals of homoeopathy that this practice must be detrimental.I have been in contact with some of the strongest provocators of this pactrice but to this day was not able to find out how their method actually works.Consequently I got in touch with George Vithoulkas who confirmed my suspicion. I asked for his permission to publish his letter and passed the whole correspondence to the AHA.Some red tape is going on in this country. No publication ever took place. Homoeopathics are still being administered upto 10Ms without being similar to any degree. I have personally treated many patients who fell victim to this practice and grafted some homeos pathos onto their life force.
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Old 10th January 2003, 04:29 AM
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When I say:

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My understanding was that these potenised versions were used isopathically to treat the side effects of vaccines.
This does not mean that I use this method, nor does it mean that I advocate it. It is only my understanding that some practitioners use these products in such a way.

kgvargas

There seems to be a lot of "strange" practices, despite what I thought was regulation by the AHA. Is this why the Association of Professional Homoeopaths was created?
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Hello kgvargas,

Whereabouts in Australia is this "strong push" to use this type of homoeopathic prophylaxis?

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I have seen various newspaper articles over the last year, which advocate the use of "homoeopathic vaccines" as an alternative to allopathic vaccines. I really should have kept a record of who the authors were and from where they sourced the information.

The problem, in my opinion, is that these articles appear to be misleading the general public on the issue of vaccination. In light of the "smallpox" hype in the media in recent months, I feel that some clarification is needed. It would be great if this clarification was to come from the homoeopathic profession of Australia.

I raised this issue because the number of enquiries I am receiving about these so-called homoeopathic vaccines appears to be increasing.

kgvargas

I, too, would be interested to know where this "push" is coming from.

If Mr Vithoulkas issued a letter (hopefully clarifying the position in homoeopathy of these products) and you want it published to an Australian website, why not contact the Australian Association of Professional Homoeopaths or Homeopathy Australia, both of whom have websites and ask them to publish it? In fact, why not contact all those Australian homoeopaths who have websites and ask them to upload it?
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Hi Simone,
It could be something to do with Isaac Golden's current run of popularity. I think the AHA hosted a seminar by him about 6 months ago. I didn't go, but a prophylaxis schedule I've seen from another West Australian site recommending his literature seems to me to be a strip of jam short of an iced vovo.
I think the AHA did put out a disclaimer about homoeopathic prophylaxis some time age and then left it with individual members to decide how to address the issue with their own patients. I notice on the official AHA website they have a disclaimer about the Meningococcal "Vaccine" which says...The AHA does not endorse the use of any homeopathic product derived from the meningococcal vaccine as a replacement for the vaccine.

Chris
What is alarming is the rationale behind using these schedules. That Hahnemann was initially impressed with Jenner's trials with cowpox in vaccination against smallpox. Don't these people read any history in the proper context??
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Simone,
A couple of months ago there was a case of a child who died of meningicoccal, Somewhere in the NSW coastal area. The TV program "A Current Affair" ran an "expose" on the natural health practitioner who was allegedly treating the child & advertising "homeopathic meningicoccal vaccines".
There was an outcry about scaremongering in regard to the disease and a push for all homeopathic and "natural" medicines to be registered for use.
Meanwhile, whenever there are new outbreaks of the disease, the whole community is lined up for vaccination regardless of whether the vaccine is for the appropriate strain ( B or C) and given prophelatic antibiotics.
The allopathic vaccine is just about to go on the PBS list for all adolescents from 12 - 20 and mass vaccination of secondary school students is expected to start when school resumes.
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On a lighter note: "a strip of jam short of an iced vovo". Boy, do I miss those!!!!

Thank you for that insight into where this might be coming from. I thought the whole point of the AHA was to "regulate" the profession; it seems I may have been wrong.

As for your last paragraph, "initially" is the crucial word. Jenner is supposed to have recanted hiw work on his death bed, but that bit of history, seems to have been forgotten, as does a lot of history.

Ozzie

Long time, no hear. Again, thank you for your post. It also explains a lot. Scaremongering seems to be in epidemic proportions these days, doesn't it?

Where are all the regulating bodies in this? Surely, homoeopaths and alternative practitioners are looking to them to do something?

In the meantime, the general public are getting very confusing messages, both from the allopathic and homoeopathic communities.

Can anyone tell me which pharmacy is making these so-called homoeopathic vaccines? And, which interests have a stake in that pharmacy?
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