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Old 6th December 2002, 08:22 AM
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What is the reason of not declaring HCV and AIDS as Miasm? When we say miasm originate from living bacteria and virus. What is the criterion of introducing new miasm in homeopathy? Are miasms, all hoax or there is some truth behind this theory?

As the world observed international AIDS days on 1st dececember, the number of reported HIV and AIDS cases in India has risen above and above.

It is very difficult to me to attend any outdoor activities. In spite of fact, my husband arranged a visit and I attended a seminar on AIDS days. The seminar was on Geographical and social mapping in sexual practices amongst street children of India. I was invited in special person.

The speaker said India has been identified as high risk country. “High prevalence of AIDS in a country do affect neighbouring countries due to cross border woman trafficking, who involve in sex practices”

The speaker called to fight against the stigma linked to HIV/AIDS which keeps people away from talking about the problem and related issues, resulting in no remedy.

As the seminar was proceeding, I was thinking about high risk of AIDS among the general public. I thought, in Hahnemann days, syphilis was prevailing. He declared syphilis in miasm group. As syphilis is also originate / caused by a bacteria.

Now-a-days, syphilis is died out. We rarely see true syphilis cases in our routine practice but we are continuously watching AIDS and HCV patients. Viruses are their main origin and causes. If syphilis miasm was declared due to bacterial infection then what is the hurdle of not declaring HCV Miasm and AIDS miasm. Both are originate from Virus.

The latest report of the WHO/UNAIDS ‘AIDS epidemic update’ says the number of people living with HIV and AIDS all over the world has risen to around 42 million till to date, which include six million people in south and southeast Asia.

Medical experts, however, believe that the number of reported cases represents only the ‘tip of an iceberg” and that the actual number may be far greater than that.

These figures shows that there is dare need of research in homeopathy. We should define some criteria to declare miasm in the body. When and how and at which stage we can declare a patient in miasm is still a question. If some person are already saying it is a fraud then how can we justify that it is not fraud and it is reality which can not be denied any more.

Where does miasm exist and in which form. It is the question of the day. Considering the ever-growing concern of AIDS, we should declare two more miasm HCV and HIV. Our homeopathic philosophy is base upon vital force. HIV affects the immune system resulting in its weakness. When immune system totally affect it results in appearance of certain opportunistic infection and ultimately into cancers.

My another question is if we found a HCV or HIV virus in a body of human being then could we declare the body into any miasmatic stage.

My third question is how the remedies concerning to miasm were declared? Any protocol of declaring miasmatic group of medicine?

Yes! We can declare the patient into syphilis miasm if we found syphilitic microscopic organisms in the body. Rather definitely then why this rule is not admissible for HCV or HIV miasm.

So for there is no medicine for killing virus in allopathy. I was reading at Internet that China will soon launch a new medicine for AIDS treatment at the end of this months. But we claim that we do not treat virus or bacteria or disease rather we treat the patient. If the similimum remedy will be selected then the remedy will definitely kill the germs inside the body whether in the form of bacteria or virus. We have read paramount cured cases of virus diseases. Few cases were treated, after declaring one miasm in the body. How it was happened it is still a question in my mind.

Can we justify our cured cases of viruses or other wise Rindi type magician will continuously humiliate our system. Who will introduce new miasm in our body according to the current need and scenario of health relating problem. Who has the authority for this job?

If I say HCV and AIDS are two more miasm in our body then would you like to support?

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Who said these can not be considered as miasm when tuberculinum and pseudopsora were introduced after Hahnemann's death.
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There are many different causes for an acquired immune deficiency syndrome. But if you're referring to HIV then yes, this is another miasm. Hahnemann gave the fundamental instructions in Aphorisms 101 to 103 for how to understand and record the symptom complexes of epidemic and collective diseases on the different bodily constitutions.

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Meena,

I appreciate your effort of writing such a good article.

Chris g

This question from meena is worse to anwer please...

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My third question is how the remedies concerning to miasm were declared or discovered? Any protocol of declaring miasmatic group of medicine?
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Chris Gillan MAHA,

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if you're referring to HIV then yes, this is another miasm.
Thanks for accepting some more miasm in homeopathy.. At last I have been succeeded in changing your views.

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By applying Un-hahnemannian term means STOP doing research.

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no it's nothing new - chris has long held these un-hahnemannian views on miasm :razz:
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A miasm is a merely the pattern your diseases take over the period of your life. They are not reliant on pathogens, the pathogens are reliant on the miasm.The miasm always comes first, before any "infection" takes hold - we are born with the miasm in many cases, or a miasm may start with a trauma, accident, or even orthodox medical treatment.

The reason a new miasm is introduced is not because of a new pathogen. It is introduced to explain a new pattern of disease - a pattern that is not covered by the current miasms. Sankaran has already added many miasms to explain what he sees as patterns different to the traditional three.

The question then, is AIDS a completely new pattern of disease? Can any of the current miasms cover its picture?

Many authors have examined this idea - Vithoulkas wrote a whole book about AIDS and the miasms that most likely covered it.

I think too, that all AIDS is, is the potent manifestation of a person's miasm, whatever miasm or combination of miasms that might be. In my own experience, I have found the Malarial remedies to be very useful, but have got a lot of use from all the major miasmatic remedies.

This is like Cancer - it is not a sure sign of the Cancer miasm, but can be a sign of Sycosis or Syphilis or even the Tubercular miasm.

Add to this, of course, the complicated relationship between orthodox drug treatments and hiv+ patients in western countries - in many cases I have found hiv illness is actually an iatrogenic disease - created by the doctor's mismanagment of the case and over-prescribing of dangerous drugs (eg. antibiotics, antiparasitics, antifungals). The patients may test positive for a particular retrovirus (which, by the way,it has never been satisfactorily explained how a retrovirus causes the death of a host cell), but the illness began with a visit to the doctor or the hospital.

And to top it off, many of the symptoms of AIDS in western countries are in fact poisoning symptoms of chemotherapy - the symptoms I see are exactly the same as the known side effects of the drugs. One has to sort out these poisoning symptoms from the miasmatic ones.

If I can keep them off the drugs, and solve the miasmatic puzzle, people with hiv stay just as healthy as everyone else (everyone else who is using homoeopathy sucessfully). They go on to the drugs, then I usually lose them.

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My dear David, excellent approach and reliastic thoughts.

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we are born with the miasm in many cases, or a miasm may start with a trauma, accident, or even orthodox medical treatment.
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The miasm always comes first, before any "infection" takes hold
I request you when you will meet with chris in your association meeting please do inform her about your thoughts.
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Welcome back David and thanks for appearing with the following statement. {The miasm always comes first, before any "infection" takes hold (David)} Nice posts on various threads. Good luck I was missing you.

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