I saw this programme and I reckon it all went wrong with the human error in coding and uncoding the vials. What do you reckon??

Other than that I felt it was balanced and for homeopathy, even to the point of introducing a vet to show that homeopathy is not just a placebo effect.

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Anna

I agree. It was a perfectly good experiment.

One problem: what were the symptoms displayed by the creature from whom the histamine sample was taken and what remedy should have been chosen.

They proved, quite correctly, that any substance diluted does not a remedy make. The principles, which they spouted at the beginning of the programme, should be followed.

Mark Elliot put a convincing case against placebo, and it was not questioned by the programmers. So, where does that leave us?

Homoeopaths do not spend several years studying how to dilute substances, they spend several years matching symptoms (of the patient) with symptoms of remedies (obtained through provings) in order to prescribe the right remedy.

At 1c, a substance can be homoeopathic if applied correctly and at 1M a substance can be inert, if not applied homoeopathically.

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I didn't see this particular program, but from what I'm reading here, it sounds like the "experiment" was based on making a remedy out of a particular blood sample? To be applied to the person supplying the blood sample?

Is this correct?

Cause if it is, they didn't even experiment on homeopathy!

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There is a summary of the programme here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon...meopathy.shtml

A full transcript will follow.

The following is the statement put out by the Society of Homeopaths in UK:-

Horizon - The Test

The Society of Homeopaths welcomes Horizon's interest in homeopathy and was
pleased with their fair presentation of the scientific dilemma of ultra-high
dilutions. Horizon highlighted conflicting evidence from laboratory tests
intended to reveal a mechanism of action for homeopathic medicine. Whilst
many replications of similar tests have given positive results(1) the
Horizon team found a negative response. Such a result cannot, however, be
used to assert that homeopathy does not work.

The Society of Homeopaths remains confident that their members offer a very
effective system of healthcare, verified in real-world studies on patients
(2) and through daily practice.

There is now a considerable body of research into the outcomes of
homeopathic treatment versus placebo and conventional medicine, across a
range of human and animal illness. The Society of Homeopaths, along with
independent researchers (3) , feel that these results justify a much larger
research effort into this fascinating form of medicine.

Jan Scholten, international homeopath says, "Homeopathy has been proven so
many times, the strange thing is it is not accepted by conventional
medicine".

Ends

Notes for Editors:
1. Much of the research over the past 15 years into the effects of
ultra-high dilutions (UHDs) on living cells (animal, human and plant) has
been ignored by the scientific community. From the many hundreds of tests
performed, the majority were positive and the minority negative. The best
overviews of all the research into UHDs are:
Schiff, Michel, 1995, The Memory of Water, Thorsons Press
Vallance, AK, 1998, Can Biological Activity be Maintained at Ultra-High
Dilution?, The Journal of Alternative & Complementary Medicine :4:1,
pp.49-76

2. The Society of Homeopaths will be pleased to provide a full
evidence-based reference list for those who wish to know more about the
effectiveness of homeopathy. The Society is the largest professional
organisation registering homeopaths with over 2000 members.

3. Kleinjen, J, Knipschild, p, ter Riet, G, 1991, Clinical trials of
homeopathy. British Medical Journal: 302 pp.316-323

For further information please contact:
Melanie Oxley, Politics Director, 01962 773668
Mary Clarke, General Secretary, 01604 621400

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Rindi is not a fool. He is not offering 1M $ for listening funny cure stories of homeopathy. He is saying he will give 1 M $ to those who will prove homeopathic medicine. :razz:

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Hafeez
Forum Pk

On balance, a good programme. But how seriously can you take James Randi, the conjuror. How was it that professional and esteemed scientists (contrary to their own null hypothesis) found results in favour of homeopathy, and in some cases jeopardised their own careers, whilst Randi who showtimes with $1 million prizes for disproving a one tailed hypo got the primetime? Personally, I find the understated, controlled scientific study more efficasious than the 'made for telly, made for money' psuedoscientic study. Also, who's to say that Randi doesn't apply his 'sleight of hand' skills to his debunking experiments. He wins everytime, woops! there's a miilion riding on it.

Anyone who has used homeopathy for themselves, children or loved ones know it works regardless of Randi's posturing. That's worth a million dollars.

Wasn't James randi around when beneviste did his experiments too?

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Consultant Homeopath
homeopathy study guide: http://www.homeopathyworldcommunity....hy-study-guide

no, on second thoughts i should not admit to having seen eurotrash.

[ 30. November 2002, 00:03: Message edited by: Anna Bryant ]

Yes, Hans.

James Randi was one of the "team" who discredited Benveniste's work.

The same team who taped the coding onto the ceiling whilst the scientists were trying to conduct the experiments.

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