I've read that hormone remedies (homeopathic dilutions of a single hormone) work by stimulating your body to produce more of that hormone. Is that correct?

If that's the case, can it be administered differently than other remedies, such as daily or several times a day, rather than a single dose?

I was using a thyroid remedy made from a single thyroid hormone which I got from a website (with the ok of my homeopath) and I followed the instructions on the bottle which said to take 10 drops 3x/day. They said it was a 30C. After a couple of weeks of doing this, I happened to mention the dosing I was using to my homeopath during an appt and she was horrified and told me to stop. She said that was the wrong way to take it and I should only have taken it once.

Well, it had been helping me but as soon as I stopped it, I lost the benefits I had gotten from it and got worse again. That was 3 weeks ago and I'm still not feeling any better.

Would it really be so bad to take it as rx'd on the bottle? I want to feel better again.

Thanks,
Shirl

Dear Shirl,

Like your homeopath, I would have been horrified too, until you said it was really helping. We can't argue with the patient's vital force. If your body says, "I like this remedy, I'm doing great!" who are we, with our intellectual theories, to contradict the most important evidence of all, the patient's own vital force?

I would say this, however: I would want to be on the minimum dose that worked. If you start taking it again, start with one dose a day, see if that does the work of the 3 doses. If not go up to 2 (be sure and succuss the bottle before each dose). If the one a day works great, see if it works just as well every other day. Get the idea? Hahnemann's motto was "the minimum dose".

So, yes, I think your body's opinion out-weighs your homeopath's opinion.

Snoopy

although - I'd wonder if the repeated dosing has caused a proving of this rather than the one dose of carc as mentioned on your other thread withthe eye problem.

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My homeopath was worried about my having a proving of the remedy, but how can you have a proving of a hormone? Hormones are natural to the body. It would seem that hormone remedies would not follow the same principles as other remedies. Other remedies work by producing symptoms in order to stimulate the body's healing, but hormone remedies work by stimulating your body to produce more of the hormone, so unless they could cause an overproduction of hormones, how could they cause a problem?

Shirl

I don't know, Shirl, but I do know this: Barb looks good as a roll of film, doesn't she?
Anyway, what's interesting is, if Carc. were working, you shouldn't have any need of the thyroid 30X. In your view, did the Carc. do any good? My feeling is, if you're taking a remedy and your energy comes up, and you stop the remedy and your energy goes back down, it means the remedy was helping you, and, you weren't through with it.

Thyroidinum does have a proving, and here's some of the symptoms of this remedy:
homicidal tendency
suspicious
irritable
flies into a rage over trifles
restless
argues with family
insomnia

Well, sounds like a remedy you wouldn't want to prove! But, you'll be OK as long as you succuss before each dose, and stop at the first sign of aggravation. If Carc. did nothing, I'd definitely go back to Thyroidinum. Any remedy that caused your energy to come up, you can't ignore that in favor of a theory that something else looks better on paper. A 30X once or twice a day isn't that unusual; even three times a day if need be isn't that extreme, because, remember, it's not a 30C.

Snoopy

LOL! Yes...Barb's new look is interesting.

Maybe I was proving the thyroid remedy cause I've been mean as a snake at times lately and had some insomnia as well. Oh well. Guess I better quit before the homicidal tendencies hit.

The carcinosen does seem to be helping some, but very slowly. It cleared up my allergies about 1.5 months into it. And I've had some other improvements along the way. I was anxious for my thyroid condition to improve so I was trying the thyroid remedy for that. But now I think I should probably wait and let the dust settle so my homeopath can figure out where I am with the remedies. So I don't think I'll be taking another remedy unless she gives it to me.

BTW, the thyroid remedy was 30C and not 30X. So maybe I did some proving of it afterall.

Shirl

Hi Snoopy,
I was wondering where you got that particular list of symptoms for Thyroidinum. My impression that it was more prone to be sluggish but I am just learning here. Thanks, gm

I can't remember exactly where I read this, but I was going to give this remedy to one of my dogs and during research I came accross a warning. I believe it was that high dose on a less than 100% heart may cause dire concequences. Do you know about this snoopy and if so can you elaborate?

Shirl, who the heck told you that hormone remedies increase the production of a particular hormone? No wonder your homeopath was horrified. I'm sure the carcinosin was selected for you in part because of the effect of that remedy on the entire hormonal system--based on your homeopath's understanding of homeopathy and the totality of your case.

If you were my patient, I would ask you to stop using the "hormone" remedy you bought all together, and pray your case was not confused by its use. It seems quite clear to me you were having a curative reaction to the carcinosin because your allergies were cleared so soon after you were given the remedy. Allergies are very deep and signify a massive weakness of the entire body economy--so if it had that effect so immediately, I think your homeopath obviously knows what he or she was doing!

At this point, only time will tell what's happening in your case. Playing with hormone levels in any way is just plain stupid...even conventional medicine, which bases so much of its income on hormone treatment of one kind or another, is admitting this. Yes, hormones ARE natural body products...but the balance of all hormones is interdependent and very delicate, and if its offset in one area you will suffer symptoms and illness as a result of the imbalance created. Because hormones are involved, the ailments are always serious. Krista's post above exemplifies this--you need to know A LOT about homeopathic remedies, AND medical sciences, to prescribe properly in homeopathy--what you got as an "explanation" was merely some marketing material stating false information.

I'm a little peeved right now, so don't take it personally, but, I have to ask why it is you spent good money and time on your homeopath only to interfere in the work he/she's doing for you?

ps--if you only feel good while you're on the remedy, its a sign the remedy is merely suppressing your symptoms and actually making you sicker. If you'd taken just the one dose, you'd have seen this right away, and been able to mitigate any damage. That is why minimum dosing in homeopathy is so important.

[ 24. October 2002, 18:38: Message edited by: Divina ]

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Ouch! Davina, I thought I made it clear in my post that my homeopath agreed to let me try the hormone remedy. I didn't take it without asking her first. My rationale for wanting to take it is too complicated to go into here, but she agreed that it might help. She also warned me that it might interfere with the carc or confuse the picture some. Guess I was just impatient for results since I was so miserable with my thyroid condition. And at the time, I was experiencing extreme anxiety and feeling upset all the time, so I needed to feel like I had some control over what was happening to me.

My mistake was in not verifying the dosing with her before taking it. And perhaps Krista's post explains why I've been having heart palpitations so much in the last few weeks. I've had them all my life to some degree or another, presumably from the thyroid condition, so I'm not too concerned. And they're getting better, but knowing this makes me glad that I stopped the remedy a couple of weeks ago when my homeopath told me to.

In any case, I'm not going to take the thyroid remedy anymore so whatever was done is done. But I'm actually not feeling too bad the last couple of days and was able to make a dose reduction in my thyroid meds 3 days ago and so far I'm doing ok, so maybe I'm finally getting some improvement there.

As for the idea that playing with hormones is stupid, try being severely hypothyroid with no knowledge of alternative treatments and see how fast you opt to take meds! I've been on meds for 14 years now, so playing with hormones has become second nature to me, even if undesirable. And I'm still new to homeopathy and have yet to see if it can heal my thyroid condition, so I have a conditioned reflex to use something to balance out my hormones when they're awry. Not to mention that my husband and I have been trying to conceive for 2 years now, and an imbalance in my thyroid translates to an impact on my fertility, which makes it all the more pressing that I get results as soon as possible.

That said, I do appreciate the feedback from everyone. Can I ask a question? How does a hormone remedy work, if what I read about them is wrong? When I took the thyroid hormone remedy, what exactly was it doing to stimulate my healing?

Shirl