Hallo Dr, Shazad
You wrote:
>>Hahnemann discovered three miasm<<

WRONG: from the chronic miasmatic diseases Syphilis, and Sycosis were known before. A lot of acute miasmata were known long time before Hahnemann.
Hahnemann only discovered and defined Psora.

In my view, three chronic miasmatic diseases can be distinguished by their symptom-pictures. There are countless acute miasms such as chickenpox, measles, whooping cough, only to name a few common ones.

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Hi Anna (you have to know that I'm "Cha Cha" as well)

In answer to your question, I think Hahnemann and I are "on the same page" regarding our thinking on miasms and the quote you furnished.

In order to accomplish the state Hahnemann writes about, you have to be able to maintain your health.

Health does not mean "disease free, always". It means that you have the ability to undergo the process of illness and recovery in such a way that your defenses--your body's abilities to heal itself--become stronger and stronger in every way. It means that your body has the ability to undergo the process of illness and healing which involves disease, destruction, regeneration and restoration of health--in other words, the vital force continuously challenges and restores itself in order to remain fully functional and powerful.

Now...as for the curability of miasms....

I believe, as I said before, that miasms play a big role in our evolution as people, as well as our evolution as beings. If we could somehow manage to treat disease as Hahnemann suggests we should--using anti-miasmatic remedies as needed, based on our understanding of chronic disease, etc. etc., then we could evolve away from the influence of that disease as individuals as well as beings.

Consider, for a minute, Hahnemann's writing on Genus Epidemicus prescribing....

If we were to understand the concept of "epidemic", and know when an individual person were actually manifesting an illness which is part of an epidemic boundary (not necessarily geographical, but perhaps sharing the same time of occurence...even if others are suffering the disease thousands of miles away...) then we could compare the symptoms of all the known cases in the epidemic and gather case information from all the cases as if they were one patient. If we could come up with good Genus Epidemicus remedies for the epidemic disease we are seeing, and give those remedies to treat those suffering from the epidemic diseases, we then succeed in curing not only those cases in the epidemic, but also in lessening the influence of that disease on human beings in general. So, the opportunity to prescribe this way (Genus Epidemicus) actually helps to eradicate the disease...and eventually the miasmatic influence...from the planet.

This is theoretical, as even Hahnemann would admit--and as we know, we haven't had the opportunity to do this because of the overwhelming control of treatment we have to deal with that is exercised by conventional medicine--but there is reason to believe that it could work.

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Genus epidemicus - it happens every flu season - flu moves across the world and so severe often 70-80% react to same remedy. this happened last year when Bell followed by Baptisa cured 70% in New England and then in Midwest when I got a heads up form herscu. In preveious year 65-70% were cured with Med.! At my website homeopathycuredcases.com, we are going to try and put this in action next flu season. Could definitely use people form Europe and Asia to help track spread of it before it gets to U.S. or vice versa. Help spread the word to get others to sign up.

John Oljace
Perennial Medicines

[ 10. October 2002, 16:56: Message edited by: john oljace ]

divine cha cha
thanks for your reply

health means, disease free without a time element.
at any time, in anyone alive, this can alter.
hahnemann stated that in order best to fulfil the higher purposes of our being, we needed to be in this condition.
therefore, it is incorrect to say that any entity which detracts from the healthy condition, including a miasm, is conducive to the evolution of the individual.

~this appears contradictory, as you are saying on the one hand miasms help us to evolve, on the other hand, that we should use anti-miasmatic remedies as Hahnemann did, [you gave the example of an epidemic acute miasm] in the attempt to eradicate miasmatic disease.

austin, not all disease is curable, miasmatic or otherwise. take a look at chronic diseases, p136, para 2 and its starred footnote.
also para 5 with respect to limited curability.

Anna, it may appear contradictory, but it is not.

Disease does, in fact, play a necessary role in our own evolution as well as in the evolution and development of all living things. Nature employs disease purposefully, in human beings as well as in every sphere of the universe.

When we are children our vital forces actually address this need for development through the contraction of specific acute diseases. This is just one example of how it plays such a vital role in personal evolution--physically, emotionally, and intellectually. Every mother knows that a well resolved case of the measles or chicken pox or long standing ailment--such as a failure to thrive, for example--brings with it renewed strength, increased motor ability and energy, and increased intellectual capability.

This is extremely visible in practice with children--and somewhat "less" visible--if you're comparing exact points for exact points--in adults. However, growth and evolution does in fact occur as a result of disease, for many individuals. As I said earlier, disease plays a role in our lives which is personally relevant--we can choose to grow as a result of the illness, or we can choose to suppress it and continue to live in the same problematic, pathological way we lived before. Patients who have long-standing chronic ailments resolve with homeopathy often undergo tremendous growth and change in personal evolution, and not only restore themselves to health but also to an on-going, conscious, and healthy learning and living experience.

The definition of health is exactly that: the ability to be resilient from disease--to undergo the illness and then heal one's self, on every level. I will state once again it does not mean being "disease free" for any length of time. That is not health; it is stasis. In nature, stasis is the equivalent of death.

We all know of people--friends, relatives, patients--who never suffered a cold or flu or childhood disease or even a physical symptom like eczema or pimples during their lifetimes; then they suddenly and quite resolutely take ill, demonstrate no defense or healing ability, and die. They remained "disease free" for an extended time period, but never had the benefit of knowing how to heal--which comes only from the effects of disease on the body.

When our physical bodies no longer need the challenge of disease in order to learn how to heal, I have no doubt that some other challenge will come along to help us learn whatever we need to learn in order to keep changing and growing.

This would be the meaning of the word "evolve", would it not?

[ 10. October 2002, 17:59: Message edited by: Divina ]

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Anna, I know not all disease is curable from reading the Organon. I wanted to know in particular about miasms when I began this thread. If we ever 'rid' ourselves of them or if they are part of who we are. I think I understand now from what I've been reading in the Organon and CD in the last few days - and from the hints I've received here. Thank you for the references in particular --- I'm almost to page 136 in CD at the moment, so I look forward to it. Sorry if this post was not clear in the beginning of my thread. Austin

[ 10. October 2002, 18:50: Message edited by: Austin Powers ]

Austin,

As you will read in what I sent from herscu Psora is somehting everyone has in terms of constantly being susceptable to disease. Psora is the need ot aquire energy to continue to adapt to change and to grow and be the best we were intended to be on all levels of health. It is when we use to much energy in one way which keeps us adapting to a change/infection that we become suseptable at either a given point in time and acute illness can set in or we are using to much energy over and over in ways that opens ourselves up to chronic illness over a long period of time.

Just like if 100 people at wedding and kid with flu casues 10 others to get flu but all were equally exposed, why did the other 90 not get sick. Some because their state of psora was not susceptible at that time or alreay had and built up resistence. Just like when some people get sick they have different parts of body where disease tends to manifest itself most of the time coampared to others. It depends on what we are predisposed to at birth and what stresses we encounter in life and how we adapt or respond to stress that determines our state of health.

Let me know what oyu think of what I sent as I think it will answer many questions you have.

JO

divine cc

you cite the example of childhood acute miasmatic diseases and the role they play in childhood development.
this varies - left to follow its own course sometimes children die from measles, sometimes they develop in some ways while suffering sequelae as well.
chickenpox is a safer acute miasmatic disease of childhood.

i do not recall hahnemann having anything positive to say about miasms [please enlighten me if i missed it.] however, there might be an analogy to be made with his statement that it can be benefical to a person's health to undergo provings.
such beneficial provings introduce a minute artificial disease to an organism *that is capable of overcoming it with ease over time.*
so, to draw an analogy, *perhaps* [my speculation] a brief acute miasmatic disease which gives the vital force a little run around, but no lasting problems, can be beneficial - in a similar way to a beneficial proving.
but a point soon comes at which the vital force is over-challenged by an acute miasm and cannot restore the organism to the same strength as it enjoyed proir to contraction of the disease.

only some children appear to have strong enough vitality to overcome the acute childhood miasmatic diseases without sequelae. if adults or weaker children contract these miasms, they suffer concomitants and sequelae that require homoeopathic assistance.

in conclusion, acute childhood disease miasms might be beneficial in the same way as a moderate proving, but can also be fatal in a natural course, depending on susceptibility and strength of vitality. no analogy can be drawn with chronic miasms which are *never* beneficial to health.

the practical question arising is:
if one holds that the acute childhood miasmatic diseases are beneficial, how can one justify medicating for them when they are running a normal course, so attenuating their [?beneficial?] action?

The answer to your question is:

You medicate homeopathically when a child undergoes the acute disease precisely because you can address a miasm, and therefore lessen the miasmatic influence on that individual--and on the entire human race, by extension.

Also, its is true that some people die from acute ailments. This is part of the intention of nature, and part of the reason why disease occurs in nature. But it is plainly silly to suggest that children cannot get over diseases like measles and small pox. Measles lasts about 4 days, in about 99% of kids who get it and can just suffer through it. Afterwards, they have a huge increase in the amount of disease defense they need to get on with life: measles and diseases that are even remotely like it will never pose a threat again.

And there is that left brain development bonus.

Chicken pox is also very easy for kids to get over--but you can cause problems if you don't find a way to get them to pick at the skin symptoms or scratch at them. so you can give a good remedy and have the disease resolve fully much more quickly. Then you will note--usually--a distinct increase in language and literacy facility.

Just my observations.

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