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Old 2nd October 2002, 07:23 AM
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1. Do you want to say any body who will disagree with Hahnemann or from his written aphorism are not homeopath?
How else should I define homoeopathy?

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Organon is not scripture divine. Nor Hahnemann was an angle. Nor you can claim every thing written in orgnon is correct. Do you claim?
Has anyone ever been able to prove what is in the Organon correct or incorrect? Maybe one day when I finish my studies, I will be able to confirm that it is correct.

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Which edition of orgnon you are talking about, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th. If you are talking about 6th then why not 1st. What was wrong with the first? In which there is no vital power concept. Which is the base of homeopathy today.
As I stated in one of my earliers posts (you did read them, right?), sixth edition. Hahnemann continually developed them after years of careful scientific study. I will start with the latest edition and work my way back if I cannot prove what is in it. However, this will take a long time. After all, Hahnemann had a wife to look after his house and he had no other work to do, like I do. Thus he could devote his life to this work. I, unfortunately, cannot.

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Why Hahnemann added new aphorism in improved editions of his organon. Why did he eliminate some old aphorisms.
I cannot say for sure, as I did not know him personally. Perhaps because he disproved his own theories and/or improved on them, from time to time. Perhaps he found better words in his language to say what he wanted to get across. Just as we edit our posts, so Hahnemann edited his text. But, I cannot say for sure. Can you?

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Now Julian is talking about a new edition of Orgaon. Will you believe on that edition, when it will going to publish.
Really? Julian is producing a new edition of the Organon? Wow. I only knew of a new translation of the fifth edition Organon.

Are there any hints as to which aphorisms Julian has amended/deleted/inserted?

Anything on dry/liquid dosing?

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Old 2nd October 2002, 07:27 AM
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Can you provide proof that there is no difference between dry dose and liquid dose?

Because some people on this BB have complained that they are sensitive to one or the other? Are you saying they are liars?

Do search on BB, you will find these posts. Then you can tell me which are lying and which telling truth!

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Old 3rd October 2002, 10:42 AM
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will you give me all references from the organon which homeopaths are doing now a days in their practice.
You are very right in your opinion. Hahnemann did not close the doors of research. Organon is a guide line and not spiritual book. It is the detail which hahnemann experienced. If you gather new information, which is not in organon, it does not mean that you can't adopt or practice.

Tablet and dilution at the time of administration of medicine have equal effect on the body. Simone is a student and talking about written information. I am talking about the clinical experience. I have no doubt. My clinical practice is mostly based on tablets. It does not mean that I can’t claim homeopathic doctor. When she will come in practical field, then she will realize that talking about homeopathic philosophy is an easy job but treating a dying patient with homeopathy is quite difficult. She has already admitted in another thread that most practicing homeopathic personalities are not following organon.

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It is hit and miss because most practitioners of homoeopathy do not spend enough time and effort reading and understanding the method, as laid down by Hahnemann. They are too busy following the latest "guru" (who offers a quick and easy route to success) and get befuddled.
Hence most are not homeopath beside calling themselves homeopaths.

There are a huge number of practitioners of homeopathy in the world. Are they not homeopathic doctors? Some of my favourites are

http://www.homeopathyvancouver.com/c...titioners.html

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where Hahnemann says that dry dosing (tablets) is preferable to water potencies (which can be dynamised before each intake?
Dear Simone we can’t prove dynamised process. How can you say the medicine has been dynamised. Any reference? It is just an observation and experience about dynamisation. dear student simone, actually we can’t prove it scientifically.
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You would disagree with Hahenmann then? After all,
Disagree with Hahnemann is a healthy approach. His aphorisms are based on experiments and their results. Read the preface of organon. Where he emphasized upon experiments. When you will disagree you will perform an experiment. You might get new information. Hahnemann himself first disagreed with Cullin’s approach about Cinchonna’s action on malaria and discovered this beautiful system of medicine.

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Can anyone who does not follow these rules call themselves a homoeopath?
YES! Read the following para

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Tinctures are given only rarely………… In tincture, we give Equisetum for kidney problems, Craetegus for heart problems, Avena Sativa as a nerve tonic to help get people off of drugs; and there are a few others (originally posted by snoopy.
Here we means homeopaths. Remember! It is not written in organon.

Dear Simone,

You are right in your opinion. A true homeopath is that person who will follow organon strictly. 294 is not the end of lesson. New things are coming all the way. Homeopaths are experiencing new information. George Vithoulkas, Sanakaran, Murphy etc are not they claim the designation of homeopath? They have added new facts and information. They gave a new direction of understanding Organon . All are based on their experiences.
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I apologise that I cannot comment on more points raised but time is short, however I would like to thank Simone for her posts & in particular for drawing attention to Aphorism 272 in 6th Edition Organon.
While Simone may be a student herself, she refers to the work of Hahnemann himself who I don't think anyone would call a student, & therefore like many of those who are posting comments Hahnemann was treating clinically also.

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I did notice much more favourable responses in our shelter cats when we switched from dry dosing to liquid dosing. I am very pleased with the results.
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Dear Simone we can’t prove dynamised process. How can you say the medicine has been dynamised. Any reference? It is just an observation and experience about dynamisation. dear student simone, actually we can’t prove it scientifically.
Did not 2 French scientists do that a while back while studing the wonderous water molecule? I haven't heard anything since, perhaps their experiments were proven unreliable in the end? just asking....
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Good to see simone has come to her track. Now she is not claiming that she is a student.
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Now she is not claiming that she is a student.
Where did I say I was not a student?

As far as I am aware, I said that I had clinical and/or practical experience, this does not mean that I am not still a student!

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My dear Simone,

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As far as I am aware, I said that I had clinical and/or practical experience, this does not mean that I am not still a student!
Did you get this clinical and practical experience without ever qualifying a certificate in homeopathic field. Have you been practising quackry?
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I don't know what's going on here. What is the point of discussion? If Simone is a qualified homeopathic doctor and she has a geniune degree too in the relevent field of homeopathy then what is the fun in trying to decieve members on this board. Why is she emphasizing on declaring herself not a quaualified homeopath but rather a student of homeopathy? When did she qualify DHMS or BHMS or any other authentic course?
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Deleted, because it is irrelevant to this discussion.

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