The most debilitating symptom for the patient in terms of functioning in the world is a good way to look at the deeper state of which the case should be built around to find the pattern or cycle of why they remain ill.

However, the remedy selection is based on a cycle of main ideas that logically makes sense. These main segments or idea or grand characteristics are a combination of mental, emotional and physical generals. All are important to the extent they are strong, or frequent or peculiar and debilitating to the patient in terms that they are using up a lot of energy that is keeping the body from healing.

Example: cycle of Rhus tox: Injury leads to feeling of resrtiction and anxiety that leads to restlessness and motion that leads to an over exertion again leading to an injury and the cycle continues. Every rhus tox patient will exhibit most of these main ideas in a mental, physical or emotional way. It then makes it very easy to distinguish it from otehr similar remedies. I have seen and use cycles for many remedies, even the samll and seldom used ones and while it is not an exact science the whole philosophy and method clearly simplify the whole process and increase the success rate considerably.

Some remedies have 5 segments and some have as many as 9 for the more complicated and larger remedies. They all have many opposite main ideas/segments that allow a cycle or cirle to form representingthe pattern of the patients disease. They are logically connected in that one leads to another. This method also allows one to ask logical questions to distinguish remedies and to find many examples or strong intense or peculiar symptoms to find remedies quicker. Some cases, even chronic ones unfold in 45 minutes or less. It truly is amazing. It takes about 6 months to understand everything and then about 6-9 months to be good at it but it is the best investment I ever made and I do this on a very limited basis due to otehr responsibilities, but have become very efficient at it. I had trained under a homeopath who taught a method by a well known canadian homeopath. They are quite different and Hersc's method is clearly more logicla and superior in practice.

John O.

I'm confused by the statement..cures the deeper state first...because I thought you had to start with the prominent symptoms first which may not reflect a deeper level but a more recent display of symptoms. Does that mean that the deeper state is available to be seen when you first see a patient? Can someone explain what this deeper level means with examples?

dear john, thanks for your message about this topic and for sharing the extra info.

my comments related to the article above which may not do justice to the method.

diseases are to be addressed in response to their symptoms, with reference to the accompanying circumstances [organon par 18.]
whenever the term "theme" arises, it tends to be a construct of the practitioner/guru; symptoms, provings and the similie law often take a back seat.

john wrote:
"Regarding the opposites in thuja, fixed ideas of a person vs. dual ideas or confusion of identity are clearly opposites and are parts of the cycle of the remedy."
what are the opposites here? what i could speculate [perhaps i am missing it] is that the opposites are-
lack of knowledge about one's identity
'excessive' knowledge about other matters.
many people will say they do not know who they are, many patients will have fixed ideas. these are very often not symptoms of their disease, but aspects of the human condition.

john wrote:
"This method is not simple to udnersrtand until a person understands his whole philosophy and each part of the method including treating the deeper state first and building the whole cycle around that"
also
"It is so much easier to distinguish remedies and to find the deeper state"
this concerns me with reference to the footnote to organon par 1.

john wrote:
"If try to decide between Bar-c and Cal-c always give Bar-c first. Between Bar-c and Hell, always give Hell. first. If not you actually supress the deeper state onlty to return later and confuse the homeopath."
this is not symptom-based work, driven by the patient's symptoms, but a fixed idea of the practitioner/guru. these three remedies have different proving symptoms and characteristics, which alone should determine a choice between them.

some aspects of the method appear to come from the origins of homoeopathy - such as identification of the main complaint as that which is most troubling the patient, and is active disease [ref organon par 7], whether mental or physical. and treatment of the main complaint presenting at each stage. this is symptom-based logical prescribing, and will show better results than sticking to one fixed idea of a constitutional similimum for a given patient.

Dear Anna,

Regarding your response,while I may not have been clear regarding Herscu's method, all laws of hoemoapthy and the organon are referred to extensively in the "Herscu Letter" and classes he teaches. Also I do not beleive I used the term "theme" and did not intend to imply that remedies have themes, as each remedy has many themes or grand characteristics that must be present in the patients response to stress for the remedy to be prescribed. All remedies have 5-9 grand characteristics that will present themselves in various mental, emotional and physical responses to stress that form a cycle or pattern of disease which is the patients way of responding to stress.

Regarding opposites, fixed ideas (a type of rigidness)and confusion of ideas or identity are often responses to stress and when to much energy is used by the patient as a response to stress, they must be used in analysis. There must also be opposites to form a cycle and there must be a cycle or pattern of behavior as a response to stress that the patient uses over and over which prevents there body/mind from healing resulting in chronic illness. One such segment that is critical to address and include in analysis is the opposite of the cheif complaint. Every cheif complaint of every patient has a major oipposite idea of the complaint. For example, the cheif complaint of Rhus-t is an injury or some type of restriction to the paitent, and the opposite is the need for motion. Just like in Nat-m has the opposites of: being emotionally vulnerable -grief/emotinal pain and are so open to being hurt that they introvert and close off to protect themselves and become hardened. The opened aspect and the closed are the opposites.

Herscu' clearly describes how these grand characteristics of segments of the cycle are developed in case taking.

Please refer to other responses i have sent regarding the fact Herscu has developed cycles for almost all remedies, 100's of them and I have observed this in practice over and over in addition to reading 100's of cured cases by Herscu, in addition to the fact I know 20 people as mentioined in other notes who went 3 of probably the top 30 homeopaths in the world and only a few were cured, yet Paul is in the process of or has cured many of them. In the end, the proof is in the pudding and over time I will be providing more information on Paul's success rate which is remarkable compared to any other homeopath I have studied and more importantly heard about in talking to many people about there results with other homeopaths. This is not to say good homeopaths can not cure maybe 50% of their patients in 2 years or less, but for complicated cases, I am convinced Herscu is superior as most of his cases are severe illnesses or have been people who went to several practiitoners before they ended up cured by Herscu.

Also as I have noted his method is unique and it is complicated on the surface. Regarding the issue of treating the deeper state, it is true you must prescribe on the patients symptoms and what Herscu's method allows you to do is to make sure you uncover the deeper symptoms if they exist by utilizing his methods of case taking. It also allows smaller remedies that are similar to larger more common remedies to consider which usually leads to furtehr questioning of the patient and often results in finding a remedy that better matches the deeper state. So if you take a case and they have 100 Cal-carb symptoms they will eventually need it but of those 100 symptoms, when combined rubrics form similar ideas or grand characteristics that form a cycle, other remedy choice become strong possibilities but represent a deeper layer of the patients current state. It basiclaly allows you to determine which symptoms are logically connected creating a chronic response to stress. In summary it is all symptom based work but focuses on the syumptoms that matter and need cured first. If not and the wrong remedy is selected, deeper state symptoms are often supressed and I have seen this happen over and over until i discovered Herscu's method.

Also the mehtod of heirarchy, which shows 4 differnt levels of illness that represent differnt groups of remedies,provides a tool to bring the patient from a more severe state to a less severe state and reduces symptoms being supressed and allows for a full and complete sustained cure, often in 2 years or less even for the more complicated an severe states of disease.

Again, when time permits I will be compiling more detailed information about Herscu's method and success rate and it will eventually be available through 1 of the 2 web sites I am slowly but surely developing. HomeopathyCuredCaes.com and MedicalHealthcures.com

Until then, thank you for your responses and the best of luck to you in your practice.

John O.

Dear Anna:

I wanted to clarify a few issues and give a better example of how the Herscu methods works.

Lets say a patient comes into your office and says, " I get these terrible headaches and while telling you this she is almost laughing. You relaize this person is acting awkward and it is peculiar for a person to think or act like there is somehting funny about having migrianes.

With Herscus method you ask questions and determine that what needs fixed is this person comes off awkward or shows slightly inappropriate behavior, this makes them timid and embarrassed that leads to causing them to withdraw and constrict or close off(from company)which leads them to become confused with who and what they are and what they want and they start 2nd guessing themselve (lack confidence and have confusion of identity) and this leads them to worry how people perceive them (full of cares and worries build up (develop migrianes, etc) this leads them to try and do soemthing diferent to escape this feeling (need to communicate or change- loquacity) but it turns out awkward in a forced out shy type way and they feel they fasiled and become embarrassed gain and the cycle continues.

This is the cycle for Ambra Grisea

Once you know the true cheif complain of what relaly needs fixed, Herscu gives you a method of logical questioning that covers all the standard case taking questions you need to discover such as the etiology, modaliteis, family history, etc and icludes new consepts such as the opposite of the cheif complaint, the nightmare of the opposite of the cheif complaint which are the main reasons or symptoms as to why the patient cna not break the cycle and keep doing thinks in response to stress that keep them sick.

When you see 100's of these cycles compared to any other materia medica the picture of the remedy becomes crystal clear and it is written in modern day terms and symptoms. This gives you an incredible understanging of remedies like nothing else I have read. The logical connection of how one symptom or set of symptoms leads to another in forming a cycle is invaluable and in fact is necessary to find the pattern of the persons response to stress that the patient is stuck in causing chronic illness.

If anyone who knows homeopathy fairly well was to read about 100 remedies and their cycles in terms of what are their true grand characteristics and if a person learns herscu's method of case taking, not only does there success rate go up, they save a great deal of time in case taking. I cut my time in half as once you find the true cheif complaint - what really needs fixed and then build the case around it looking for logical connections of symptoms/main ideas of how th patient is responding to stress on a physical, mental and emotional level, homeoapthy becomes almost scientific in case taking and in results!

I hope some of this makes mroe sense than my previous responses.

John O.

Dear David,

With regards to your response about Hersc's method of cycles and segments,it is true that it is very complicated. I originally trained under a homeopath who trained under a well known person from Canada. After becoming frustrated with not only my results but in knowing 20 people who were also treated by this method, and only 2 were cured, I started researching all methods available. The only one that logically made sense was Herscu's.

I first struggled with "the Herscu Letter" until I finished letter 12 or 13 and then it all made sense. I then started using his method in case taking and analysis and within 6 months my success rate went up considerably from (20-30% to 70-80%). Also I can often now take a complex chronic case in 45 minutes to an hour instead of 1.5-2 hours or more, as once you fully understand the method you know what you are looking for in case taking and how to uncover the deeper state and what symptoms matter and which ones do not.

Again, it is true his method is complicated, but I feel very confident if more homeopaths learned his philosophy of disease, learned how to follow the patients energy and how to use his method of case taking, that instead of only the simple 1 or 2 remedy polycrest cases being cured, many more people would be cured within 2 years or less. I know so many peopole that went to homeoapths for 5-7-10-20 years and were never fully cured. They went to some homeopaths that are considered to be the best in the world/ from europe to spain to philadelphia to canada. In the end, many have now gone to Herscu and he has either cured them, some with one remedy they alwasy needed that were sick for 25 years and others with 4 or less depending on how deep of a state they were in when they first saw Paul. I am confident with few exceptions, all otehrs who are going to him now will be cured soon.

I really beleive if every homeopath used his method for thew next 3 years that so many people would be cured, that instead of what I belevie is less than a 50% cure rate for chronic cases, we would see an 80%+ cure rate for most cases in 2 years or less and then instead of a minority of people being cured and those that are not who tend to rightfully say they tried it but it did not cure them, that the demand for homeoapthy would sky rocket! Until a majority of people are being cured, homeopathy will continue to grow very slow and often be given bad publicity.

It may be true on a given day Paul Herscu was not on his game and in fact he may be reserved and quiet, but when it comes to homeopathy (considering most his patients come from homeoapths who failed to cure them or are autism cases or more severe type cases)he is also the most humble and honest and logical person I have ever met.

respectfully,

John M. Oljace
Perennial Medicines

HomeopathyCuredCases.com - If any of you have time I would appreciate it if you would be willing to enter a few cured cases as I am trying to promote homeopathy to the general public.

Julian Winston posted the below message on the Lyghtforce mailing list:

Paul Herscu has just released a new book about provings, which
includes the proving he did of Alcohol. Had 114 provers over 5 years.
It is solid and looks like a very useful remedy.

But the first part of the book is amazing. The sub-title offers an
insight into his approach: "How understanding provings offers an
essential foundation to successful patient care."

When you take a case, you are often presented with a long list of
symptoms. Your successful outcome depends upon your ability to pick
from the list those symptoms that are characteristic of the patients
disease.
On the other side of the coin, when you do a proving, you are faced
with a listing of symptoms from the provers. Are they all important?
No! The skill in doing a proving is to be able to select from the
myriad of symptoms those that are characteristic of the remedy. Says
Paul, "Learning which symptoms to include in a proving enhances your
ability to do the same thing in case taking... by not understanding
provings, we have created mistakes that Hahnemann was trying to rid
us of by creating a more perfect or pure materia medica of the drugs
via the proving."

The problem that he sees is that the "threshold" for what IS a
symptom has dropped so low that we are seeing extraneous "noise" as
symptoms of the proving.

Says Herscu: "The threshold has dropped so low that a great deal of
background noise is no longer being filtered out...The true symptoms
of the substance is buried within the multitude of symptoms from the
lowered threshold... Having numerous people who did not take a
substance or who took placebo develop the same symptoms as the ones
who took the remedy is not a demonstration of our interconnectedness;
rather it shows that the filters are so porous, and the threshold is
so low that the experiment is faulty."
He goes on, "If you take the proving substance and then your wife is
in a car accident, maybe the accident is part of the proving... this
sort of thinking may seem humorous to some,, but it is not;
especially when these symptoms then make it into our materia medica
and repertories, making the tools of our trade full of misleading
information, ultimately making the practice of homeopathy, already
challenging, that much more difficult."
"Once the 'noise' is included in the repertory, there is no easy way
to extricate it.... we have included so many symptoms that all the
remedies begin to look alike."

As for using Doctrines of Signatures as an indicator, Herscu says:
"Provings arose in part, from attempting to eliminate the doctrine of
signatures! It is ironic at best, though sad to me personally, that I
see the homeopathic profession bring this back. Homeopathy was
created as a science to draw us out of darkness. I cannot believe
there are those who want to go backwards. It is a refutation and a
rejection of the spirit of homeopathy. It breaks the direct line to
Hahnemann."

Paul discusses 13 "Misconceptions." The big one to me is is the
last: That it will not impact your practice. If the threshold is so
low, what is the implication in practice? Where does a case history
end? "If the patient's husband fell should the patient take Arnica?
If you look out the window and see a certain bird fly by, should you
give that remedy?
Says Paul: "One mirrors the other. If your borders are not tighter,
if your threshold is not high enough, then your analysis of patients
will eventually follow suit. One will mirror the other. I have seen
my colleagues go through this for many years. It winds up as a
painful process to all involved, at the end. The problems are so
numerous that it will take a long time to correct."

Long ago I found that it was really worth paying attention to what
Paul says. He is extremely conversant with the historical homeopathic
literature. He is, above all, a clinician. His thinking is incredibly
clear. I am amazed that not more people have taken up his model of
Cycles and Segments-- it makes the understanding of case analysis so
much clearer.

This book, aside from being a great proving of a much needed remedy,
asks some difficult questions. It remains to be seen if anyone is
bold enough to attempt doing what Herscu is suggesting. If every
symptom that everyone gets (whether they took the remedy or not) is
admitted into the literature as a true symptom, then we have lost the
ability to distinguish between placebo and remedy and the world of
provings will continue down the uncontrolled track they are often on
and, with the filters being so porous, homeopathy itself will be the
major loser.

Needless to say, I think this could be one of the most important
books in the "new" literature.

JW
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Edit: Just wanted to make clear that the above does not reflect personal opinion but was re-posted from a discussion that is now taking place on Lyghtforce. (As if any of you would have thought I was gifted enough to even arrive at such conclusions !!)

[ 21. September 2002, 19:32: Message edited by: gpm ]

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Hercu Method - a more detailed example
and a response to another posting.

Case Taking Guidelines

Questionnaires can be dangerous but may also be very helpful after you have taken the main case to look for confirming symptoms. However, it is more important to find the true chief complaint and to ask questions of how they deal with it and what it leads them to do. It is the excessive use of energy in response to stress that prevents the body from healing itself. Reduce the responses to stress and the body will heal. The simillimum will restore the imbalance in the vital force by reducing the excessive use of energy as a response to the stress that caused the illness.

Observation: Often times the true chief complaint, what really needs fixed can be observed. Finding the true chief complaint is critical. A patient may come in and shake your hand in a weak way, may not make direct eye contact and when you ask them why are you here they say "I get these terrible headaches and as they say it they laugh and act awkward. It should become obvious while the headache should be analyzed in terms of modalities, etc, the fact the patient acts this way is peculiar and in the end may prove to be a main segment of the case. If this is not an obvious issue upon observation it will come out in questioning as noted below, so you do not have to find key symptoms by observation but I state this to show how important it can be.

Follow the energy and what the worse thing is about the chief complaint. Ask what is the worse thing about the headaches? Then ask why that is so bad for you? Then ask more questions until you have exhausted all possible responses or find similar ones to confirm it is a major issue for the patient.

Then ask what they do when they have a headache, as this will give you their response to the stress of the headache, which the response is one thing that will need fixed. They may say they want to be alone. Ask why and you will find a logical reason to continue to build the case upon.

QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO CONTINUOUSLY ASK ABOUT EACH SYMPTOM:

What is the worse thing about this for you? And why is this so bad for you?

How symptoms make them feel (quality of symptom) and....

What symptoms make them do in their attempt to respond to the stress – the way they use energy to strain is what needs fixed.

And how they get symptoms…

By asking these questions over and over you not only get more symptoms but how the symptoms impact the patient and how one symptom leads to another. This is how you find the deeper state and what needs fixed, and it will form a logical cycle showing the patients response to stress.

SAMPLE CASE TAKING:

40 year old women Chief complaint: Migraines

Lets say a patient comes into your office and says, " I get these terrible headaches and while telling you this she is almost laughing. You realize this person is acting awkward and it is peculiar for a person to think or act like there is something funny about having migraines. Make note of this laughing immoderate and acting awkward or childish, as it is peculiar and very well may be part of the case. But as noted above it is not mandatory that you pick up on this as the case will unfold with proper questioning and this will come out as noted below.

What’s the worse thing about having a headache?

I have to be alone and cannot accomplish things. Why do you have to be alone? Because being around others makes it worse. What’s the worse thing about being around people. I worry how people view me, what they think of me and I get anxious just talking to them. (You can see they are nervous talking to you as well)

They worry how people perceive them and upon asking more questions it is obvious they are (full of cares and worries about many things that build up and eventually (develop migraines, swelling,etc) this leads them to …..

be timid and embarrassed easily around others as it hurts them in some way and you ask questions about in what situations and find out strangers, group meetings, in public, etc, etc so it is a major issue for the patient that leads to make them……

withdraw and constrict or close off (company aggravates, desire to be alone)

So when you are alone how do you feel? They say I feel confused? What’s the worse thing about feeling confused? I don’t feel I know who I am? Why is that so bad? I guess because I start 2nd guessing myself and I do not know how to act. (lack confidence and have confusion of identity) and this leads them to…..ask the question…

What do you do when you feel this way?

I do not like to be alone when I feel this way and need to be in company. Why does that help you? Because talking to others makes me feel I am ok. (They try and do something different to escape this feeling (need to communicate or change- loquacity)

So talking to others helps you but how do you feel talking to others. It helps at first but I feel I can not control myself (loss of inhibition) and it seems I end up feeling awkward and end up saying something wrong/inappropriate and feel stupid (awkward in a forced out shy type way (anxiety talking) )

Question: Well everyone says things they regret, why is this so bad for you?

Answer: it makes me feel like a failure and they become embarrassed again and the worse thing for them as noted above is they have to be alone again and cannot accomplish things and the cycle continues.

At this point you pretty much have the whole case but can now ask questions to find confirmations or supporting symptoms of the grand characteristics or segments above of the main ideas of the patient in terms of their response to stress, how they feel and what it makes them do. Now you ask the questions about how they were raised/family to try and find out why they are timid and act awkward and you will usually find out a logical reason why such as mortification, controlling parent, etc. You can then ask about food cravings, temperatures, family history, sleep and for example stools and sure enough you find yet another key note symptom of the patient and the remedy. When you found out about they are anxious in company and talking to people ask for other times they are anxious. Ask about sex life, stools, etc and in this case you will often find out they have a great deal of anxiety if they have to pass a stool in the presence of others. All of these are keynotes of the patient and the remedy.

This is the summary of the cycle for Ambra Grisea

Awkward or slightly inappropriate behavior > becomes timid and embarrassed >withdraws from state and becomes closed and constricted & (aversion company, anxiety talking) and > becomes confused as to who or what she is and what she wants (lack confidence and confusion of identity) > worries of how people perceive her (full of cares) and worries and things build up inside them (migraines, constipation etc) > tries to do something different to break out of feeling .(desire company and need to communicate but become to loquacious or outgoing ) and eventually says something or does something awkward again and fails in some way.

Once you know the true chief complaint of what really needs fixed, Herscu gives you a method of logical questioning that covers all the standard case taking questions you need to discover such as the etiology, modaliteis, family history, etc and includes new concepts such as the opposite of the chief complaint, the nightmare of the opposite of the chief complaint which are the main reasons or symptoms as to why the patient can not break the cycle and keep doing thinks in response to stress that keep them sick and these are the symptoms that make the case.

I have read in Herscu’s 2 year class and in the “Herscu Letter” 100's of these cycles of remedies and compared to any other materia medica the picture of the remedy becomes crystal clear, includes most of the main symptoms you want to find in order to prescribe with confidence and it is written in modern day terms and symptoms. This gives you an incredible understanding of remedies like nothing else I have read. The logical connection of how one symptom or set of symptoms leads to another in forming a cycle is invaluable and in fact is necessary to find the pattern of the persons response to stress that the patient is stuck in causing chronic illness. The main 4 types of questions to continuously ask as noted above will help find the main symptoms of how the patient uses to much energy in their individual response to stress.

If anyone who knows homeopathy fairly well was to read about 100 remedies and their cycles in terms of what are their true grand characteristics and if a person learns Herscu's method of case taking, not only does there success rate go up, they save a great deal of time in case taking. I cut my time in half as once you find the true chief complaint - what really needs fixed and then build the case around it looking for logical connections of symptoms/main ideas of how the patient is responding to stress on a physical, mental and emotional level. Then, homeopathy becomes almost scientific in case taking and in results! Also his method of compiling symptoms from provings uses this format and again you have a very clear picture of what the newly proved remedy is really about.

Again, I am not an expert at this but have had great success with it and I am only ½ way through Herscu’s, 2 year course. The “Herscu Letter” is invaluable but you have to get through 12-13 letters to really understand what he is doing and all of a sudden it hits you what you are trying to do as a homeopath and it is truly enlightening. Most importantly you will cure many more people quicker and more efficiently.

Sincerely,

John Oljace
Perennial Medicines
HomeopathCuredCases.com

dear john, gpm

imo herscu has it right about the general usefulness of modern provings.

what is puzzling is where does the information for the 'new materia medica' with cycles and segments come from? has herscu re-proved all the remedies asking the provers to pay special attention to their mood changes, or having them see a psychoanalyst each week to talk over their changes in mood and mind for the duration of the remedy action? or is it his interpretation of the psychology of each remedy?

as we have in organon 211, the alterations in mood and mind *often* tips the balance in the selection of a remedy - but not always.
presumably herscu has other strategies when the mental and emotional state cannot be assessed, as in the acute post-operative case initially cited.

how for instance would herscu treat a non-human animal with the 'new cycles and segments' materia medica? or an infant or someone not compos mentis?

john, you commented above that the herscu method is 'almost scientific' - that is a lot better than most modern practice, but why not return to the organon for its totally scientific method?

best regards, anna

Dear Anna,

First, I did not intend to make everything a cycle is made of be mentals and emotinals as it clearly is not the case in practice. The Ambra Gr case just happen to unfold that way but it did have many physical generals as well that supported the cycle. It was just a summary as an example.

All of Herscu's information comes from all the classical sources such as Hahnenaman, Kent, Boenninghousen.,etc. and all well proven rubrics still apply, but he has added over 20 years of experience and in some cases provings he has done for remedies like psornium which had few symptoms. Most importantly his success rate is very high and is based on his cycles and segments which interestingly enough, if a person knows the basic out line of cycles and segments you can actuall go through all the rubrics for remedies and find the cycle of the remedy. In fact he does this for his students as part of their training and to learn the method.

Also cycles for a remedy can be represented by mentals/emotionals and/or physical only. an example is Merc. this is not his completed version as it is to long nad detailed but will give you an idea. One is a short version I often see with acute physically dominated cases. The other is a more detailed cycle but the ideas of segments are similar.

MERC. Inflammation leads to > swelling > closing off to a > strong re-action (ie when performance required) leads to anxiety > to tremors and these tremors lead to shakiness that creates inflammation –

Containment > swelling up > close off > strong reaction – eruption > evaporation>…need to contain again…used volcano as example:

Confusion, leading to => chaos, chaotic impulsive unstable thoughts or fluids they try to contain them => but this scares them -fears, fears of these chaotic thoughts and the fears lead you to fill up more and become swollen => a rigid, closed, monomaniacal, dictatorial person and become so rigid (closing off)that they => become fine, oversensitive to the slightest stimuli and become so oversensitive that they => react in a violent, manic, impulsive, unstable, incredible discharge (eruptions)which makes them feel like => sad, depressed, weak, depleted, empty, guilty and they feel so much of this that they get into this whole major => death of the self feel and destruction (evaporation -perspiration/fluid loss)and then (try ot contian themselves)become confused...

You do not have to have all mentals and in fact never do but the ideas of physical generals are similar to the main ideas of a segment.

Regarding organon 211 the main point is if you really look close and use logic you can see how the mental state of the remedy is mirrored by the physical and they are similar ideas and rubrics can be grouped togehter for analysis. This si critical as you said and it is true you don't alwasy get the mental picture. but again a snoted in previous response there is a person attached ot the physicals and if you use the line of questioning with the 4 main questions to ask you will get more mental and emotional response as I do this all the time.

I have read probably over 30 cases of infants and observation and the physical generals as well as questioning the parents on " What has changed since the illness started, ie - sad, quiet, irritated acting, etc cna help, but even what happens before, during and after a stool for example and modalities like eructations amel, etc will form a cycle aand I have had many acute cases where I used 90% physical generals, if not all in some. In the acute post operative case 80% of symptoms were general physicals but we were able to get some mentals and emotionals as the patient wa snot drugged out of his mind like all the others so it went real well. In fact I knew which remedies he was going to give except I may have missed the Arnica when he gave it but in retrospect it made sense and surely did the job. The anesthesiologist was blown away as were other doctors and it was one of the 10 largets hospitals in the country.

Regarding the The organon I must be honest in syaijng I have never read it other then when herscu gave his own interpretation which as you know has varied greatly form one persons method to another. Also it's original interpretations form german were somewhat skectshy in many areas. Paul goes into greta detail about Hahnaman, Boenninghousen and many other of the old timers and strictly adheres to all classical homeopathy principals. For example, herrings law matches his heirarchy of Methods in terms of deeper state remedies that have more severe symptoms in taking the patient to a less severe state andthe path in whihc things are cured. he has demonstartaed this over and over.

All I can say is what I have seen happen to many people not being cured and Herscu curing many people who went to other homeopaths that wwere considerd some of the best. I know many of these people well and folowed their cases, some 10 -20 years wiht poor results. They go to Herscu and in some cases one remedy cured them.

If oyu were to read the first 13 Herscu letters, you would be amazed as to the logic of everythign he says and does in practice relative to all you legitiamte concerns.

Best of luck!

John Oljace
Perennial Medicines