Other therapies: interference to Homeopathy

manjunathjaya · #1 (**permalink**) 13th September 2002, 02:54 PM

I am taking Homeopathic treatment for a chronic condition for the last 5 months. I am considering going to a therapist who does the following:

Gemstones/Reiki/Aromatherapy/Chakra Energy Balance

I would like to know if any of the above interfere with Homeopathic remedies or of they have any adverse effect.

Thanks

Hans Weitbrecht · #2 (**permalink**) 13th September 2002, 08:04 PM

The outcome becomes unpredictable
Possible outcomes:
1) both therapies antidote each other
2) both therpies add to each other
3) eratic effects, as both therapies work with the bodies own energies.
My advice: one therapy at the time only.

Ricky · #3 (**permalink**) 14th September 2002, 12:29 AM

IN my opinion aromatherapy is the most likely to interfere with homeopathy. Chakra balancing should be OK and probably Reike. Can't say about the gemstones.

ozzie · #4 (**permalink**) 17th September 2002, 06:30 AM

The use of the gemstones would depend on whether the whole gemstone was used/placed on or near the person or whether gemstone essences were being used. The essences are prepared either by triturating some ground gemstone & preparing in alcohol/water dilutions or by placing the gemstone in water for a certain period of time & then using the water ( which holds the vibration of that stone). Each stone has a different quality. There are also Shell essences available.
The following quote about Reiki was given to me by another Reiki practitioner.The title of the article is "The Science of Reiki" & I don't know the original source.

Quote:

There are no harmful side effects from Reiki.
In the two decades since Reiki Masters have been actively initiating practitioners in the west, there have been no reported cases of negative effects from Reiki.
There are a large number of cases where people have observed what at first appears to be negative effects. People with no understanding of the physiological healing processes of the body can misinterpret what they experience. When the body is undergoing a healing process, there can be short term effects which cause some discomfort.
For example, a person with an arthritic joint can have an increase of pain after the first few Reiki treatments. The Reiki will be increasing the circulation of blood to a joint that has had poor circulation for a number of years. The sudden increase in circulation can be painful at first. The end results will be great!
People with a great deal of accumulated stress or emotional blocks can find everything stirred up at first with treatments as their body starts to process the effects of the Reiki. Cancer patients often experience an increase in pain in the area of the tumor for the first few treatments.
l) Reiki is complementary to all other systems.
There are no contraindications to the use of Reiki. It can be used on its own or in conjunction with any other therapy. There are often times when your health problems are so serious that you need to take advantage of everything that is available.
For example, Reiki is brilliant at promoting the rapid healing of cuts, even large ones. However, if you amputate a limb, you should be seeing a surgeon. You would still give the body as much Reiki as possible because it will help dramatically in the recovery process from the surgery and reduce the amount of scarring and pain.
Serious illnesses such as cancer still need to be treated and monitored by the medical experts. In every case however, Reiki will increase the overall vitality of the body and the ability of the body to recover. Reiki will also reduce the side effects of treatment such as chemotherapy and radiation therapy and maximize your potential to get well. In the meantime, each Reiki treatment you have will work on harmonizing the underlying cause of the illness.
m) Reiki always treats at the root cause level.
One common observation of Reiki has very important ramifications. People being treated by Reiki, and Reiki practitioners, have repeatedly noticed that if a practitioner has his/her hands on a patient in a particular position such as the head, the person being treated sometimes feels the Reiki having effect in a completely different part of the body. The part they feel it working on strongest is a part of the body that has greater disharmony. For example the patient may have diseased kidneys and will feel the Reiki strongest there even though the hands are on another part of the body.
This important observation helps to confirm the theory that Reiki is a harmonic that will, by its nature, always tend to go to the area of greatest disharmony. There is still a local effect because the Reiki passes through the area of the body under the hands.
This helps to explain the apparent variation in results with Reiki. Some practitioners may have established that when the arthritic knee of an ex-footballer (or soccer player, to some) is treated, they can usually expect significant improvement in three to five treatments. One time they treat an arthritic knee which seems to take much longer. The knee still gets better but needs many more treatments. A possible explanation is that the footballer has another more serious condition that he may not have known about such as a weak heart, and the Reiki is going to that area as a priority. Both the practitioner and the person being treated don't know it but by the time the knee is better, so is the heart!
When we start experiencing the symptoms of an illness, we often fall into the trap of thinking that it is something that just happened to us. This is very far from the truth in most illnesses. The condition will often have existed for years before it finally manifests as a symptom. A heart condition is there for many years gradually developing until it finally starts to give symptoms. Physics tells us that energy exists and moves first – matter follows. There is usually a disturbance in the energy systems of the body first. This eventually starts to bring about the physical changes that eventually become the `disease'.
Our body is composed entirely of energy at different levels of vibration. The slowest vibrations make up the bones. The higher vibrations go through the spectrum of the muscles, organs and blood until we arrive at even higher vibrations that make up our energy system (chi [Qi], prana, ki Etc.).
Many things can cause disharmony in the energy system. Emotional disturbances and traumas, mental aberrations, environmental influences, trauma, diet, injuries etc. can all contribute. Once this energy system is thrown into disharmony, it starts to manifest changes in the body/mind. These changes eventually lead to disease as we recognize it.
The average disease process develops through an accumulation of predisposing factors. There is rarely just one cause for the disease. It is usually a heterogeneous mixture of many different factors.
When we visit the doctor for a diagnosis we should remember that the diagnosis is usually only a label. The labels - stomach ulcer, hepatitis, nephritis, fibrositis, etc., are not explanations of the cause of the disease. They are descriptions of the end result of the various causes. How we are treated is going to depend upon the training (indoctrination) of the doctor treating you. He/she will decide on a “cause” to focus on according to his/her area of expertise.
One metaphor we like to use is that of an iceberg. We know that the greatest part of an iceberg floats under the water. The tip that protrudes out of the water is not a good indication of how much lies below. The symptom is similar to the tip of the iceberg; the causes of the disease are the main body of the iceberg which is hidden. Two people can have the same `tip' (symptom) and yet have a vastly different array and number of causes. That is why two people with the same symptom can have vastly different healing times.
Two people can be suffering from stomach ulcers. One person may have the ulcer simply because of a change of cultural environment. He may move to Thailand with his job and eat an excess of hot, spicy Thai food that his stomach is not used to. The treatment would be simple and the results quick, especially if he reduced his intake of spicy food until his stomach got used to them.
The other patient with a stomach ulcer may have gone through a divorce a few years ago and spent two years living as a bachelor, cooking for himself, worrying about money, and divorce proceedings, and may also have injured his upper back. Here we have a variety of factors that can contribute to the stomach ulcer. Worry is known to stimulate the vagus nerve, which supplies the stomach, and thus causes excess acid secretions in the stomach. A back problem can affect the sympathetic nerve supply to the stomach and contribute to an imbalance in the nerve supply to the stomach, again resulting in excess acid secretions. In addition to these factors the diet is a problem. All this means his `iceberg' is much bigger and the stomach ulcer will probably take much longer to heal because of the accumulation of causes.
In each of these cases, the patient could receive very good treatment from different specialists; a chiropractor, a dietitian or psychologist for stress management. Probably each could attain a result because when anything reasonably constructive is done to the body, symptomatic relief often results. The problem is that very often the whole body of the `iceberg' has not been addressed and the symptom will eventually return or manifest as another similar symptom because not all the causes have been dealt with.
A diagnosis is usually only a label. A description of the end result of the various causes. Not an explanation of the cause of disease.
The great thing about Reiki is that it doesn't specifically treat the symptom. Because Reiki is a harmonizing energy, it treats the whole complex of the body. As it pours into the body and interacts with it, the Reiki will systematically start harmonizing the whole body of the iceberg. When the stomach has finally cleared up with Reiki treatments, it means that the condition has gone because the underlying causes have been harmonized, and not just because the symptom has been relieved or masked (such as with antacids).
Even with apparently simple things like sports injuries, we often find that there are underlying predisposing factors such as high stress levels or being run down. It has been established that if the body is over stressed or run down it is more easily injured. When Reiki treats the injury, it is also treating the stress and thus enhancing vitality.
Each disease can be seen as a particular combination of disharmonious frequencies. It appears that Reiki polarizes in the body as the mirror image or harmonic of the diseased frequencies. This would effectively tend to neutralize the disharmony in the same way that frequency therapies like homeopathy work. The difference is that in homeopathy the practitioner has to diagnose the disharmony and choose the appropriate frequency (medicine) with which to harmonize it. Reiki doesn't need diagnosis because it follows its own laws of harmonics and gravitates to the frequencies of predominant disharmony. Simply put – one does not need diagnosis because the Reiki does its' own.
n) No need for diagnosis with Reiki
If you needed to diagnose in order to treat with Reiki, you could not become a practitioner in a weekend seminar. You would need to do at least a four-year course. The majority of Reiki practitioners are lay people who are not trained in diagnosis. Reiki knows where to go to effectively treat the person.
As you do not have to know where to direct the Reiki, you do not need to know what is wrong.
If the person being treated wants a `label' for his/her symptoms, he/she should go to a doctor. In the meantime, the Reiki practitioner can still effectively help the person regain health and vitality – holistically.

This may be of some use to ascertain what treatment you think may benefit.

Hoppitt415 · #5 (**permalink**) 17th September 2002, 06:52 AM

Wow what alot of info !

I'm glad they recommend seeing a surgeon for the amputated limb !

Surely any therapy acting on the vital force will afect Homeopathy. it's like trying to ride 2 horses in the same race----- we only have 1 bottom !

ozzie · #6 (**permalink**) 17th September 2002, 07:47 AM

To continue the equine picture....it's all horses for courses isn't it?
I find that one therapy will work for or suit a client for instance, Reiki or EMF Balancing, whilst that client wouldn't even consider homeopathy.
In yet another example, I have given a remedy to a client who was in crisis and it was entirely appropriate to put "hands on" with Reiki.
If you take the claims of Reiki to be valid, then anyone who is Reiki practitioner & a Homeopath, will then always dispense a Reiki filled remedy as the energy cannot be turned off.
Does this invalidate the remedy or enhance it? (Or to use another animal similie....is this putting the cat amongst the pigeons?)
Both therapies are highly energetic & focus attention on the client, generally for a longer period than they would see their allopathic physician.
I can see the merit in using only one or the other to see which is actually working, but conventional medicine uses many modalities at the same time, such as physiotherapy for soft tissue injuries (often using machines which generate energetic frequencies). So which modality is the one that works here? The physiotherapy, the strapping, the doctor's attention or the anti inflammatory?

carolorr · #7 (**permalink**) 17th September 2002, 08:41 AM

It is my understanding...and I could be wrong..that reike practioners who have been initiated into becoming masters are not always capable of a pure transference of the reike energy because they have been initiated by paying lots of money rather than being pure in the sense of having dealt with all their own personal issues. If that is the case then I think its possible that some practioner can inadvertedly pass on part or all of their own energy field. I'd make sure that the reike practioner is someone you'd like to be like just in case.

ozzie · #8 (**permalink**) 17th September 2002, 09:04 AM

Carol,
the same could be said of physicians, specialists and even homeopaths.

All have invested (or their parents have invested) a great deal of time, money & energy into their studies and not all are in it for truly altruistic motives.

The Reiki energy may be "free" to access, but recompense for the time invested in treating or passing on the knowledge is more than justified.

There's a saying amongst motorcyclists (of which fraternity I belong to)- if you have a $10 head - wear a $10 helmet. I wear a $450 helmet, because I value my head & yes, I have replaced it a couple of times.(maybe Chris could use the old ones for her magpies)
You don't see a homeopath for free even though the information is disseminated freely through books or the internet.
Even the clergy get paid for weddings, funerals & namings. They certainly don't live by bread alone.

carolorr · #9 (**permalink**) 17th September 2002, 09:30 AM

I'm not sure I understand that what your saying addresses what I said. I have followed the story of reike from its inception to the teacher who got hit in the forhead with a blast from the past. As reike eventually made its way to america..it cost 20,000 to be initiated into "masterhood"...but the initiators were taught to only intiate the pure. People got greedy and were initiating anyone who had the money. I don't know if it still cost that much...do you? I was initiated by one of the first 20 people initited by the hawaiian woman...but she eventually changed its name to something else..mariEl...and didn't want to be associated with the reiki group because of the above reason.

I went to a reike healer who happened to be a psychotherapist about 5 years ago. I asked for a reike healing. I made it clear that was all I wanted. She had me fill out a form for the first 45 minutes. Then she wanted to talk about my issues. I told her that all I came for was the laying on of her little reike hands. Well, no...she had to know why and she wanted to set goals for me and blah blah blah. I got snookered into coming back a second time...and I had to go over my whole family relationships...and the last 5 minutes she did some reike. I didn't feel a thing. I only tell you this so that you see I was not prejudiced by what I said in my first paragraph...I gave reike a chance...the women totally interferred and I was pissed at her for a couple of months..because I wouldn't pay her for both sessions and she kept calling me and calling me until one day I told her why I wouldn't pay for the first session. She finally quit bugging me.

ozzie · #10 (**permalink**) 17th September 2002, 09:43 AM

I'm sorry that you had such a disappointing experience.
Many people who post on this board have had similar experiences with the homeopaths with whom they have consulted.
They went to someone for a remedy - maybe for an ingrown toenail,(parallel = reiki treatment) & ended up with having to delve into all their past experiences & were given a remedy on the basis of the homeopath's perception of their mental state, when all that was hurting was the big toe & mag pol australis (or whatever repertorized) was all that was needed. I'd be pissed off too!
Does there have to be a delving into the mental state for every physical condition?
Same goes for reiki, there doesn't have to be a delving into the psyche to get a result.
We really have got into over-analysis for a lot of things & much to be said for the acronym K.I.S.S

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