My friend was diagnosed with HIV and he is bleeding internaly from sever liver damage...doctor said it is the worst damage he ever saw and his stomach is swollen like a pregnant women and legs are swollen and the doctors don't give him much time to live. They keep pumping the fluid out of him but after three times they will stop and not bother to pump him out again. Is there anything that homeopathy can do at this stage if modern medecine can't help?

Thanks
Joel

[ 05. September 2002, 03:45: Message edited by: JoelPA ]

Hi Joel

I hope someone answers you soon. I am just a student and really more info is needed to properly prescribe but I would look at Phos as a possible suggestion especially since there is bleeding. Wait until one of the qualified homeopaths answers though - Dr Leela? Snoopy? Dr B? Shirley? Ricky? ANyone?

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I doubt we can do very much Joel, I'm so sorry. BUt he can certainly take homeoapthic tinctures every 6 hours:

Cardus MArianus ( St MAry's Thistle) in Mother tincture 4-5 drops every 6 hours.
HAmmemalis V in 6C potency for the internal bleeding, plussed ever 6-8 hours

All the best,
doctorleela

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This is not the case of homeopathy. Proper surgical management is necessary here with allopathic drugs.

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I believe the doctors have already said there is nothing further they can do - surgery will be useless with this degree of liver damage anyway.

It is possible to help, although this is an extraordinarily serious situation. Prognosis is poor.

Joel, can you describe anything else to us about him - any other observations? Do you have access to remedies?

Dropsy from liver disease is covered by many remedies - we need some way to differentiate them. The main ones are Calc, Aur-m, Lach and Lyc. There are over 20 though. Card-m is certainly one of them, and I would strongly consider Phos due to the bleeding.

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Hi David,

This is probably advanced Cirrhosis with resulting ascitis, and edema of the lower limbs etc. I'm sure they're fed up to doing repeated ascitic taps, and it must be weakening the patient furthur. That's what Joel may have meant - they don't want to repeat it any more.

The bleeding is porbably passive through esophageal varices, hence I suggested Hamemallis. They coudl have probably already tried the latest methods for stopping bleeding varices and failed.

Poor chap. CHina could be a consideration for loss of vital fluids - to make the end easier.

warm regards
doctorleela

[ 05. September 2002, 06:55: Message edited by: doctorleela ]

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Hello DavidJK.

When ever I wish to read jokes. I switch over to internet and read your post. I read your so many confused answers on this board. Please don’t try to puzzle the patient this time from your answer. We don’t have any homeopathic case management for this case. It is always not necessary to reply on each thread.

I think you did not work in any hospital in your life. That is why you are not aware of surgical case management.

It the habit of doctors that when they see, the patient is serious and case management is difficult then they generally don’t give hope to patient’s family. But actually they do work with full confidence to handle the case. If doctor didn’t give hope it does not mean that there is no hope for the case.

I don't understand, why peoples are so hurry in prescribing homeopathic remedies on each case. When they don’t have any idea over it. They will never see, is there any demand of any homeopathic remedy to a case. They don't know, every case demands full management and supervision.

For example, if a bone is broken and a member asks for help. They will enthusiastically reply. Use Symphytum, Calc phos, arnica, hypericum and so on…. They don’t have an idea that the broken bone should be fixed first. Then our remedy will act. If doctors have already said they can’t do anything further. Again then, only they (doctors) can do anything further and not us. If they said they are unable to fix the bone then it does mean that you start trying symphytum, calc phos and else. First they have to fix the bone by adopting any other method then you can claim for false cure story.

I don’t think so at this stage, it would have been a wise advice to put the patient under pressure and force him/her to go for remedies when the patient is already under the treatment of an Allopathic Medical Doctor. You can try your funny rule when those doctors will ask the family to take the patient at home or take the patient to any other medical doctor. This is medical ethic which I am informing you. Then you can apply your funny rule.

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What an arrogant patriarchal reply!
Barb, Dr Leela & David have all offered suggestions for a homeopathic remedy to use in answer to a plea for a friend who is dying & allopathic medicine cannot help anymore.

You have offered a cynical reply attacking a respected Australian homeopath who does much valuable work with persons suffering from HIV/AIDS.

Sometimes one needs to get away from the medical paradigm to "see the wood for the trees"

What remedy would you offer to make this person comfortable?

I would second either China or Phos.

I understood that Homeopathy was about the "whole person", which to me includes the soul. I was taught in College that the Homeopathic remedy in a terminal case may not cure, but can palliate the pain and at the same time offer the person the opportunity to die in a more peaceful emotional state.

[ 05. September 2002, 12:57: Message edited by: ozzie ]

Mujahid

SUCH A SERIOUS THREAD AS THIS - YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!

David, please don't waste your time replying to that post - it'll take time away from the help you provide to those in need.

barb

[ 05. September 2002, 18:39: Message edited by: jonh ]

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May I offer another perspective?

Dear Joel,

It is natural to want to cover all bases, to ensure that all possibilities for cure or alleviation are being attempted, which is obviously why you have come on to this site asking about remedies.

When this type of pathology has advanced so far, there are some remedies that may facilitate a peaceful transition. But of course, there are also allopathic proceedures that will enhance a peaceful transition too. Allopathy excels at pain-killing medication, and in most hospital settings there is a time when a decision is made to quit medical intervention and allow the patient to make as peaceful a transition as is possible. One of the greatest fears we have, as the people witnessing the passing of a friend or loved one, is that they are experiencing physical pain. In a hospital setting with caring staff this would undoubtedly be kept to the absolute minimum. I hope this is of some assurance to you at this time.