The picture your dream conjures up has me sitting here laughing! By the way, I was that fat, little, (really) old lady (lady is a bit of a stretch) wobbling in with the walker! Snoopy was there early to set up the stage for her stand up routine. She was probably the MC, too. Bet she bounced about a lot. Energizer bunny girl. Bright eyed, flaming haired Cha Cha was trying to say something of genuine value (it really was interesting) but Krista, Denise and I got into a snit about giving fluids or some such thing. Then Krista had to run out to save a cat. Anna stuck her nose up at our impropriety (aimed at me, mostly) and said I made her cough. She was lovely and serene, as always! Poor Barb. Having been vaccinated with a nice needle when young(should say *young-er* because she always lets us know how OLD we all are, that's the one flaw in that nice facade of hers), was trying so hard to keep us all from killing each other, she had to run to the john! Ricky kept saying how easy it is to find the right remedy if you have a scientific background...and proceeded to answer every query, accurately, with aplomb and a nod of her blond curls. Shirley, as the obvious organizer of the whole affair (well, it was HER dream) kept running the Native American philosophy of when, how, what to say through her mind, wondering how she could employ those standards and still try to control this mess for which she was responsible.

I think the medical people came to save us all from each other! One man, though? Think Shirley just stuck him in there for herself.....after all, it was her dream and bet she was getting a little tired of all those women!

Keep 'em comin', Shirley. That was fun. (Holy cow, I've gotten so old I can't remember my dreams and have to live vicariously through other people's dreams!)

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gpm - that was great!!! and how right you are that I'd be constantly running to the john - me with my IBS/Ulcerative colitis mess that I am, especially around all these intimidating folks. Snoopy would be mixing up water potency after water potency to stop the bathroom attacks. Of course you'd have your pockets full of squirrels and acorns right?

Dr Leela - I am sure I would've sent you an invitation - maybe the server was down?

barb

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Oh, no. Sorry, Barb. Dr. Leela may have been invited (feel sure Shirley sent one out) but she, regretfully, had to decline. It is necessary that she stay where she is, no gallivanting off for a good time. (I kind of think she has had quite enough good times of late and best to keep her feet on the ground. No more flying around!) Her nose to the grindstone in the pet forum, please. Must keep her working on all these animal cases, you know.

See what I mean? Barb has to get in that SHE would have sent an invitation. Ms Congeniality.

By the way, Ms, one of my very big, fat, adult squirrels (her name is Floyd..but that's another story)still tries to get in my shirt pocket like she did when she was a baby. Pretty awkward since only about 1/4 of her fits now. Going to get her one of those baby carrier sling things.......maybe. Then I'll be stylish and have both hands free to manipulate my walker.

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Funny thing is, I don't remember inviting anyone! I thought it was really neat that all these people showed up and even that I was there. Only thing was that we were all wearing very frumpy out of fashion dresses. Maybe that's why Leela declined and maybe why no men showed up! The guy from the medical board wanted to shut our little group down. None of the three mentioned they were from the medical board, but kept trying to get us to talk. I felt uneasy and decided to have everyone introduce themselves and that's when they confessed to being from the medical board. But the guy was saying he was really interested in homeopathy. I think the incongruity of what he was saying is what finally ended the dream.

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Snoopy –

First, many thanks for your detailed and considered response. As always, you cover the territory with style. I had worked up a few supplementary questions, which I was going to post now, but on re-reading your post I find you’ve covered it all, at least in terms of what my limited brain can handle--though who can tell, maybe something else will come to me later.

Well—maybe I’ll ask one more thing: am I correct in assuming you have little use for Bailey’s habit of beginning with a 10M?

Shirley’s comment raises the corresponding question:

Shirley –

I know there isn’t just one right way to do things, and Snoopy has pointed out that both high- and low-potency prescribers must know when to make adjustments up or down. For the sake of discussion, though, can we say there is only one right way—or a least only one correct place to begin—and that is Kentian high-potency prescribing? Would you mind telling us where Snoopy has gone wrong?

Having said that, I think its time for me to stop by the club, and kick back with some of my buddies from the medical board.

JSB

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My hubby always teases me about my 'comfortable' clothing style. Even at work, our whole office wears denim scrubs! Now then, I'm the one who's old and dumpy. I always picture the rest of you as young and stylish!

Now as to the point of the thread. I don't think there is any one potency that is best to start. It depends a lot on how you're trained and what you are most comfortable with. I was trained as a Kentian, almost 'straight from the horse's mouth' so to speak. My teacher's father was a friend, student and colleagues of Kent's and my teacher knew him well, also, even though he was of the 'younger generation'.

You have to match the potency to the person's vitality and the virilence of the disease. Because I was well trained in the use of high potencies, I am most comfortable with them and I find my clients have less aggravations with them than with the lower potencies. I think the higher potencies work more deeply and for longer periods of time, which I consider a plus. I can give a remedy and it holds for months. I think it works on the higher members of man, i.e., at a more spiritual level. I do think that all disease starts at the spirit level, so that's what I want to address. It is important, though, that you have the right remedy and not just something 'close'. I usually spend a week or more researching the case before giving the first remedy, so I get very good results with the high potencies. They're almost like miracle cures for things people have lived with for years prior to the remedy. I don't see those kinds results with the low potencies.

However, if it's an accident or some truly acute problem at the physical level, such as a sprain, insect bite or overdoing the alcohol, I'll give low potency.

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gpm - poor Floyd - you need bigger pockets! Maybe the frumpy dresses have them.

barb

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Shirley - Thanks. I guess there really is more than one way to skin a cat (ooops, sorry about that gpm!).

bach

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Hello ladies and germs!

How is it that every thread that's about me sooner or later takes on the appearance of Alice In Wonderland? The last time, as I recall, Dr. Bhatia was running around collecting information on the careers of Mary Tyler Moore and Candice Bergen; and gpm was no slouch with her anecdote about how Candice Bergen couldn't make her 8:00 class; yeah, I can see how allopaths would have nothing to add to this discussion. Oh! and there's no way Dr. Leela wasn't invited to Shirley's dream!

Well, to answer Bach's question, here's the reason for the disagreement over potencies. Hahnemann wrote 6 editions of the Organon. The last edition, where Hahnemann warns about giving remedies in overdose, was not read by the great 19th century homeopaths, like Kent, because they had all died by 1921 when the 6th ed. was published. If they had had a chance to read it, the practice of homeopathy might be quite different now.

Like Shirley, I used to be a high potency prescriber; it's really hard to break this habit. My reckless prescribing hurt some of my patients--fortunately, they recovered.

Paul Herscu, head of the New England School of Homeopathy, pointed out in one of his lectures that nature does not waste energy. An organism does not expend more energy than it has to. When you give a 1M where a 30C might have sufficed, you force a person to expend energy reacting to the unnecessary force. If you're in good health, that's OK. If your energy clock is running out, however... as Hahnemann said in the Organon, if you give the right remedy in too strong a dose, it's going to impact precisely those organs that can tolerate force the least.

I doubt that Bailey ever tried to give one of his patients a 12C in water with succussions once a day. Does everyone remember Rahul? The Lycopodium case with social anxiety and stomach rumbling? He was cured in 2 weeks with a 6C in water 3 times a day. Bailey would have given him a 10M. The amount of excessive force would have been unimaginable!

Barb, where's my coffee!

Snoopy

coming right up ma'am - how do you take it?
Hey wait a second,n you already have a steaming cup right next to you - see it there, the one with the smiley face?

Bach,
once again - Bailey - yuck. I hope he wasn't at the party.

barb

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